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		<title>By: JojoLindsey</title>
		<link>http://justinelarbalestier.com/blog/2010/01/27/this-is-just-to-say/comment-page-1/#comment-86387</link>
		<dc:creator>JojoLindsey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jan 2010 01:42:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is awesome. Hey do you think you guys could look at my blog and give me some comments?? www.jojolindsey.wordpress.com Liar was AMAZING!!!!!!!!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is awesome. Hey do you think you guys could look at my blog and give me some comments?? <a href="http://www.jojolindsey.wordpress.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.jojolindsey.wordpress.com</a> Liar was AMAZING!!!!!!!!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: angharad</title>
		<link>http://justinelarbalestier.com/blog/2010/01/27/this-is-just-to-say/comment-page-1/#comment-86373</link>
		<dc:creator>angharad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 16:28:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I want so much to believe that where LIAR might have been a one-off, MUG might signal real change for covers at least.  That&#039;s why I hate it so much to see people derailed by UR doin it Wrong posts. But it&#039;s true that it&#039;s easy to be disappointed by people online.  It&#039;s not just that people get snarkier, I think I get over-sensitive and think, hey, are you really my ally?  And of course, that wondering glance at the people in the lines to your left and to your right happens in *many* venues.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I want so much to believe that where LIAR might have been a one-off, MUG might signal real change for covers at least.  That&#8217;s why I hate it so much to see people derailed by UR doin it Wrong posts. But it&#8217;s true that it&#8217;s easy to be disappointed by people online.  It&#8217;s not just that people get snarkier, I think I get over-sensitive and think, hey, are you really my ally?  And of course, that wondering glance at the people in the lines to your left and to your right happens in *many* venues.</p>
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		<title>By: Mary Arrrr</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mary Arrrr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 16:02:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The most dangerous delusion is the belief that things can&#039;t get any worse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The most dangerous delusion is the belief that things can&#8217;t get any worse.</p>
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		<title>By: Brendan Podger</title>
		<link>http://justinelarbalestier.com/blog/2010/01/27/this-is-just-to-say/comment-page-1/#comment-86361</link>
		<dc:creator>Brendan Podger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 06:00:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Say your piece once.  If people don&#039;t understand what you are trying to say(even if they think you are wrong), move on.  They will never get it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Say your piece once.  If people don&#8217;t understand what you are trying to say(even if they think you are wrong), move on.  They will never get it.</p>
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		<title>By: Justine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Justine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 06:00:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Angharad: I did mean this post to apply far more widely than that. I was thinking also of political events here in Australia and the US and elsewhere.

But as for the cover thing. I&#039;m so thrilled to see how quickly Little, Brown has responded and to see the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=268532111926&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;groups&lt;/a&gt; that have sprung up to keep a vigilant eye out for other cases of white washing. The work of people like &lt;a href=&quot;http://blackteensread2.blogspot.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Ari&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href=&quot;http://coloronline.blogspot.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Susan&lt;/a&gt; has been very inspiring.

I hope, as many of us do, that all of this will go even further. That these recent protests will lead to the publication of more books by and about people of colour. And more poc employed &lt;i&gt;within&lt;/i&gt; publishing too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Angharad: I did mean this post to apply far more widely than that. I was thinking also of political events here in Australia and the US and elsewhere.</p>
<p>But as for the cover thing. I&#8217;m so thrilled to see how quickly Little, Brown has responded and to see the <a href="http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=268532111926" rel="nofollow">groups</a> that have sprung up to keep a vigilant eye out for other cases of white washing. The work of people like <a href="http://blackteensread2.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">Ari</a> and <a href="http://coloronline.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">Susan</a> has been very inspiring.</p>
<p>I hope, as many of us do, that all of this will go even further. That these recent protests will lead to the publication of more books by and about people of colour. And more poc employed <i>within</i> publishing too.</p>
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		<title>By: angharad</title>
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		<dc:creator>angharad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 05:31:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Or for that matter sanctimonious like whoa.  Sorry about that.</description>
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		<title>By: angharad</title>
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		<dc:creator>angharad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 05:28:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>True, but very few of us can say something like this and have it be a productive comment.  Were I to pop in at a few threads and say just the same thing it would only be MORE DERAILING.  Which is very frustrating.   All I can do is conclude that someone is wrong on the internet and quietly withdraw even when I know that people retreating to safe spaces is movement in exactly the wrong direction. 

However, I think, just for this moment, when you say something like this it IS constructive.  I guess from some of the things you&#039;ve said that being at the center of the shit storm over the Liar cover was no fun at all, but I think it gives you the leg to stand on that you need in order to be heard when allies are bringing out the icepicks.

For most of us, the struggle really is the thing, but we can all get derailed when we&#039;re frustrated and any one of us can drift into being bullies and thought police.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>True, but very few of us can say something like this and have it be a productive comment.  Were I to pop in at a few threads and say just the same thing it would only be MORE DERAILING.  Which is very frustrating.   All I can do is conclude that someone is wrong on the internet and quietly withdraw even when I know that people retreating to safe spaces is movement in exactly the wrong direction. </p>
<p>However, I think, just for this moment, when you say something like this it IS constructive.  I guess from some of the things you&#8217;ve said that being at the center of the shit storm over the Liar cover was no fun at all, but I think it gives you the leg to stand on that you need in order to be heard when allies are bringing out the icepicks.</p>
<p>For most of us, the struggle really is the thing, but we can all get derailed when we&#8217;re frustrated and any one of us can drift into being bullies and thought police.</p>
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		<title>By: Justine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Justine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 05:01:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Angharad: Tee. Anyone can talk this obliquely.

HeatherL: I guess you have to start wondering about whether they&#039;re an ally then.

But what I&#039;m talking about are the people for whom &quot;purity&quot; (of whatever kind) is more imporant than the actual struggle. After awhile you start to realise that maybe that&#039;s all they care about, bullying other people into their idea of proper behaviour.

Hmm, I guess that winds up at the same place, doesn&#039;t it? Wondering whether they&#039;re really allies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Angharad: Tee. Anyone can talk this obliquely.</p>
<p>HeatherL: I guess you have to start wondering about whether they&#8217;re an ally then.</p>
<p>But what I&#8217;m talking about are the people for whom &#8220;purity&#8221; (of whatever kind) is more imporant than the actual struggle. After awhile you start to realise that maybe that&#8217;s all they care about, bullying other people into their idea of proper behaviour.</p>
<p>Hmm, I guess that winds up at the same place, doesn&#8217;t it? Wondering whether they&#8217;re really allies.</p>
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		<title>By: HeatherL</title>
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		<dc:creator>HeatherL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 04:24:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But isn&#039;t there a limit to what you should, or can, ignore? How much misbehavior can you put up with from someone on your side before they start bringing you down with them (morally or otherwise)? Don&#039;t you have to sometimes stop and analyze to make sure everyone is within reasonable bounds?

I remember that poem too- makinglight has a really cute post parodying it somewhere in their archives, but I am too lazy to google for the link right now. Recommend it though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But isn&#8217;t there a limit to what you should, or can, ignore? How much misbehavior can you put up with from someone on your side before they start bringing you down with them (morally or otherwise)? Don&#8217;t you have to sometimes stop and analyze to make sure everyone is within reasonable bounds?</p>
<p>I remember that poem too- makinglight has a really cute post parodying it somewhere in their archives, but I am too lazy to google for the link right now. Recommend it though.</p>
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		<title>By: angharad</title>
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		<dc:creator>angharad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 04:17:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I couldn&#039;t say this.  I&#039;m glad you did.  Thank you.</description>
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		<title>By: Justine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Justine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 03:20:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Christopher: So pleased my lame ref to a famous USian poem was recognised. See? I has spent so much time in your land that I now reference poems I&#039;d never heard of before I went there.

Lauren: Sadly it is an issue everywhere. If you find yourself thinking why am I arguing about this? What does it have to do with improving things? Then you know there&#039;s ally icepicking going on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Christopher: So pleased my lame ref to a famous USian poem was recognised. See? I has spent so much time in your land that I now reference poems I&#8217;d never heard of before I went there.</p>
<p>Lauren: Sadly it is an issue everywhere. If you find yourself thinking why am I arguing about this? What does it have to do with improving things? Then you know there&#8217;s ally icepicking going on.</p>
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		<title>By: Lauren</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lauren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 02:24:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good point... definate issue in our bookclub/ even in our church too! thnx justine!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good point&#8230; definate issue in our bookclub/ even in our church too! thnx justine!</p>
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		<title>By: Christopher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christopher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 02:24:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have visited
my ally
with an
icepick

Educate, agitate, organize, J.

xxx
cvr</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have visited<br />
my ally<br />
with an<br />
icepick</p>
<p>Educate, agitate, organize, J.</p>
<p>xxx<br />
cvr</p>
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