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		<title>By: Summer</title>
		<link>http://justinelarbalestier.com/blog/2009/09/26/damned-if-you-do-damned-if-you-dont/comment-page-1/#comment-85000</link>
		<dc:creator>Summer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 14:49:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes!!! This is excellent! As a teenaged white girl, I will admit to writing many, many CoC. And I understand and accept that some may not be happy with them, but that&#039;s okay. I try my hardest, and can see my white privilage. Nice though, how homosexuality is on the same level as teen pregnancy and underage drinking. (and pedophilia, necrophilia, bestiality, etc. *sigh*)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes!!! This is excellent! As a teenaged white girl, I will admit to writing many, many CoC. And I understand and accept that some may not be happy with them, but that&#8217;s okay. I try my hardest, and can see my white privilage. Nice though, how homosexuality is on the same level as teen pregnancy and underage drinking. (and pedophilia, necrophilia, bestiality, etc. *sigh*)</p>
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		<title>By: Tales to Tide You Over &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Friday&#8217;s Interesting Links</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tales to Tide You Over &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Friday&#8217;s Interesting Links</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Oct 2009 06:13:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] On writing characters that are different from you:http://justinelarbalestier.com/blog/2009/09/26/damned-if-you-do-damned-if-you-dont/ [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] On writing characters that are different from you:<a href="http://justinelarbalestier.com/blog/2009/09/26/damned-if-you-do-damned-if-you-dont/" rel="nofollow">http://justinelarbalestier.com/blog/2009/09/26/damned-if-you-do-damned-if-you-dont/</a> [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Links &#8211; The Yes I Am Blogging on a Friday Night Edition &#171; Bib-Laura-graphy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Links &#8211; The Yes I Am Blogging on a Friday Night Edition &#171; Bib-Laura-graphy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 03:39:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] good discussion recently on white authors writing characters of color.  I think it started over at Justine Larbalestier&#8217;s blog, and as usual she has a great no-nonsense take.   After reading Justine&#8217;s post, take a look [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] good discussion recently on white authors writing characters of color.  I think it started over at Justine Larbalestier&#8217;s blog, and as usual she has a great no-nonsense take.   After reading Justine&#8217;s post, take a look [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Lisa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lisa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 00:42:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i am really enjoying your blog. thanks for bringing this up. i will reference this in my paper.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i am really enjoying your blog. thanks for bringing this up. i will reference this in my paper.</p>
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		<title>By: Justine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Justine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Oct 2009 16:27:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lisa: Absolutely. Check out &lt;a href=&quot;http://justinelarbalestier.com/blog/2009/08/10/guest-blogger-neesha-meminger/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this post&lt;/a&gt; on that very subject by Neesha Meminger.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lisa: Absolutely. Check out <a href="http://justinelarbalestier.com/blog/2009/08/10/guest-blogger-neesha-meminger/" rel="nofollow">this post</a> on that very subject by Neesha Meminger.</p>
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		<title>By: Lisa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lisa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Oct 2009 15:17:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can PoC write about white characters?</description>
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		<title>By: Writerly Linkee-poo « Genre Bender</title>
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		<dc:creator>Writerly Linkee-poo « Genre Bender</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 18:57:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Larbalestier pontificates on excuses white writers use for not writing non-white characters. As someone whose stories are filled with Hispanic surnames and latest novel has Chinese dropping [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Larbalestier pontificates on excuses white writers use for not writing non-white characters. As someone whose stories are filled with Hispanic surnames and latest novel has Chinese dropping [...]</p>
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		<title>By: job well done &#171; Fledgling</title>
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		<dc:creator>job well done &#171; Fledgling</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 18:55:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] If you&#8217;re going to do a job, do it RIGHT!  That&#8217;s what Justine tried to say in her previous post about white authors writing about POC.  She&#8217;s got a new post up now on the advantages of [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] If you&#8217;re going to do a job, do it RIGHT!  That&#8217;s what Justine tried to say in her previous post about white authors writing about POC.  She&#8217;s got a new post up now on the advantages of [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Justine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Justine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 02:22:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Laura: Thanks so much for the link to the Woodson article. Brilliant stuff.

Elsie: I&#039;m so glad the book is resonating for you. Thank you for letting me know. (And I hope the second half doesn&#039;t let you down.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Laura: Thanks so much for the link to the Woodson article. Brilliant stuff.</p>
<p>Elsie: I&#8217;m so glad the book is resonating for you. Thank you for letting me know. (And I hope the second half doesn&#8217;t let you down.)</p>
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		<title>By: anne</title>
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		<dc:creator>anne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 22:20:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Intense and important stuff in all these replies to an excellent post. I have read several blogs that argue that non-POC (guess that would be white) should never write about POC because they only get it wrong. I would argue that your race, like your age, should not be the first thing folks are looking at when they read your stuff. If you thought someone was white (and they weren&#039;t)you&#039;d possibly (well, not you, but others would)react completely differently to the book -- I&#039;ve seen that dozens of times when folks have thought the author was male (or female) and then found out differently, as well.
Says something about how &#039;territorial&#039; people are about themselves. (men shouldn&#039;t write about women, they can&#039;t &quot;know&quot; them, and vice versa, along with the POC issues.)
Bottom line, I think, is if you think you know something well enough to write about it, then do so. The chips will definitely fall if you get it wrong. And there will always be someone who thinks you did get it wrong (as has been mentioned above, several times) even if you were spot on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Intense and important stuff in all these replies to an excellent post. I have read several blogs that argue that non-POC (guess that would be white) should never write about POC because they only get it wrong. I would argue that your race, like your age, should not be the first thing folks are looking at when they read your stuff. If you thought someone was white (and they weren&#8217;t)you&#8217;d possibly (well, not you, but others would)react completely differently to the book &#8212; I&#8217;ve seen that dozens of times when folks have thought the author was male (or female) and then found out differently, as well.<br />
Says something about how &#8216;territorial&#8217; people are about themselves. (men shouldn&#8217;t write about women, they can&#8217;t &#8220;know&#8221; them, and vice versa, along with the POC issues.)<br />
Bottom line, I think, is if you think you know something well enough to write about it, then do so. The chips will definitely fall if you get it wrong. And there will always be someone who thinks you did get it wrong (as has been mentioned above, several times) even if you were spot on.</p>
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		<title>By: Elsie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elsie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 20:23:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bravo!  I&#039;m halfway through Liar and I finally had to put the book down and find out who this author was who had crawled into my mind and vividly recreated my bi-racial, teenage, trying to find my place in the world existence. I mean really, just whoa!

As an adult, and having a daughter who will someday (gulp!) be a teenager, I think that it is so important to have characters who reflect who you are, how you live, what you look like, etc..., and if the characters are good, I don&#039;t think it matters who writes them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bravo!  I&#8217;m halfway through Liar and I finally had to put the book down and find out who this author was who had crawled into my mind and vividly recreated my bi-racial, teenage, trying to find my place in the world existence. I mean really, just whoa!</p>
<p>As an adult, and having a daughter who will someday (gulp!) be a teenager, I think that it is so important to have characters who reflect who you are, how you live, what you look like, etc&#8230;, and if the characters are good, I don&#8217;t think it matters who writes them.</p>
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		<title>By: Laura Atkins</title>
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		<dc:creator>Laura Atkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 11:39:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Justine, for this thought-provoking post, and to Neesha, whose blog posting brought me here. This is a tricky issue and for a long time I thought it was probably better for white authors not to write books about people of color - or at least when I was working at Children&#039;s Book Press and Lee &amp; Low Books, my efforts were primarily towards finding authors and illustrators of color. This is because this field is and has been so dominated by white authors who have often gotten it wrong. And because there is such a lack of books published by authors of color, writing books that authentically and specifically represent the lives of their characters. Now I can see why we need both - that we need many books featuring diverse characters. And since the field is still unfortunately dominated by books published by white authors (and by publishers dominated by white staff, etc.) - then this needs to become everyone&#039;s responsibility in some way (including working to diversify the publishing world and its outlook). So yes - it&#039;s a matter of how white authors go about this. Jacqueline Woodson wrote a great article on this published in The Horn Book Many years ago called &quot;Who Can Tell My Story.&quot; (comminfo.rutgers.edu/professional-development/childlit/books/Woodson.pdf). And it&#039;s linked to what Mayra said about really knowing and living with the people whose experience you are representing. I don&#039;t think just doing book research is enough, or maybe doing a whole lot of reading books written by people from that experience, and doing lots of other research and discussing. So, a tricky issue, but one that is certainly worth grappling with. And if someone, as a white writer, wants to write characters of color - then there&#039;s plenty to draw from in your discussion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Justine, for this thought-provoking post, and to Neesha, whose blog posting brought me here. This is a tricky issue and for a long time I thought it was probably better for white authors not to write books about people of color &#8211; or at least when I was working at Children&#8217;s Book Press and Lee &amp; Low Books, my efforts were primarily towards finding authors and illustrators of color. This is because this field is and has been so dominated by white authors who have often gotten it wrong. And because there is such a lack of books published by authors of color, writing books that authentically and specifically represent the lives of their characters. Now I can see why we need both &#8211; that we need many books featuring diverse characters. And since the field is still unfortunately dominated by books published by white authors (and by publishers dominated by white staff, etc.) &#8211; then this needs to become everyone&#8217;s responsibility in some way (including working to diversify the publishing world and its outlook). So yes &#8211; it&#8217;s a matter of how white authors go about this. Jacqueline Woodson wrote a great article on this published in The Horn Book Many years ago called &#8220;Who Can Tell My Story.&#8221; (comminfo.rutgers.edu/professional-development/childlit/books/Woodson.pdf). And it&#8217;s linked to what Mayra said about really knowing and living with the people whose experience you are representing. I don&#8217;t think just doing book research is enough, or maybe doing a whole lot of reading books written by people from that experience, and doing lots of other research and discussing. So, a tricky issue, but one that is certainly worth grappling with. And if someone, as a white writer, wants to write characters of color &#8211; then there&#8217;s plenty to draw from in your discussion.</p>
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		<title>By: Justine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Justine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 21:47:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Neesha Meminger: Thank you and exactly. I don&#039;t think that came through as clearly in my post as I would like. But it comes through very very clearly &lt;a href=&quot;http://neeshameminger.blogspot.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;in your post&lt;/a&gt;. I hope everyone reads it. Too many white writers seem to think that good intentions are enough. But they&#039;re not. White writers like me have to not only be respectful, but listen. Listen really hard.

Mayra Lazara Dole: Thank you. What you&#039;ve said is some of what I was trying to get across in my comments further upstream. White privilege means being able to write these stories without worrying too much about the consequences for other people when those consequences are very real.

And asbolutely all writers should write what they know. The vast majority of writers writing of a culture they&#039;ve never experienced are going to bugger it up. When that culture is a living one (i.e. you&#039;re not writing an historical) you will be called on your failures. More to the point you &lt;i&gt;should&lt;/i&gt; be called on them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neesha Meminger: Thank you and exactly. I don&#8217;t think that came through as clearly in my post as I would like. But it comes through very very clearly <a href="http://neeshameminger.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">in your post</a>. I hope everyone reads it. Too many white writers seem to think that good intentions are enough. But they&#8217;re not. White writers like me have to not only be respectful, but listen. Listen really hard.</p>
<p>Mayra Lazara Dole: Thank you. What you&#8217;ve said is some of what I was trying to get across in my comments further upstream. White privilege means being able to write these stories without worrying too much about the consequences for other people when those consequences are very real.</p>
<p>And asbolutely all writers should write what they know. The vast majority of writers writing of a culture they&#8217;ve never experienced are going to bugger it up. When that culture is a living one (i.e. you&#8217;re not writing an historical) you will be called on your failures. More to the point you <i>should</i> be called on them.</p>
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		<title>By: Carrie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carrie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 21:34:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This was truly an excellent post!  Thanks!  Also thanks to the comments on this post who have given me so much to think about!

I think every choice we make for our characters impacts who they are (some more than others) - skin color, where they grow up, how their body looks, whether they&#039;re religious, etc.  Even things like whether their mother had diabetes will change the way our characters see the world -- it&#039;s up to us to try to make those parts into the whole and sometimes readers see us as getting it right and other times as us getting it wrong and we keep trying.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This was truly an excellent post!  Thanks!  Also thanks to the comments on this post who have given me so much to think about!</p>
<p>I think every choice we make for our characters impacts who they are (some more than others) &#8211; skin color, where they grow up, how their body looks, whether they&#8217;re religious, etc.  Even things like whether their mother had diabetes will change the way our characters see the world &#8212; it&#8217;s up to us to try to make those parts into the whole and sometimes readers see us as getting it right and other times as us getting it wrong and we keep trying.</p>
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		<title>By: Mayra Lazara Dole</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mayra Lazara Dole</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 19:55:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>personally, as a latina author who writes authentic people of color books (born in Havana Cuba, raised in a Cuban Miami barrio, and have Afro-Cuban, Chinese-Cuban, LGBTQI friends), i strongly feel most white authors can&#039;t do a POC culture justice in their books by simply &quot;doing the research.&quot;  i suggest that you take time off and live among us, eat our food, learn our language (dialect, territorial colloquialisms, etc.). i believe in writing what one knows and this can mean several different things. for instance, i have many white friends who&#039;ve grown up around Cubans. my closest white friend is a blonde, blue-eyed writer/historian who can easily write a Cuban-American book with an all Cuban American cast, as i&#039;ve done. i&#039;m a lesbian now, but i can write books about Cuban men, women and gays because i belong to a Cuban culture and gay subculture and i used to be straight. i know drag queens, lesbians, bi&#039;s kings, trannies, and also straight Cuban males and females, like i know myself: intimately.  i also know some white folks i&#039;ve been roommates with and feel confident i can write about them. I also know closely all sorts of people (from ill to off-the-wall) and these are the one&#039;s i venture to write about

in other words.  i think that in order to get it right, it&#039;s about writing what you know (or have known intimately).  there are few white folks who can get away with writing &quot;authentic&quot; POC characters without even having them as friends.  once again, i suggest you get to know the folks you&#039;re writing about intimately, especially if they form part of a community of which outsiders know little about.

white authors, you should be scared, VERY scared... lol... ok, seriously, you should be worried because many POC feel you are stealing their souls.  we&#039;ve never, ever had your same opportunities.  as an africanam friend would say, &quot;the times of white people painting their faces black in hollywood are over.&quot;  why don&#039;t you sit back and allow us to get our work published while you keep writing what you know until we catch up?  shouldn&#039;t it be about equal opportunity?  if so, please consider giving us a chance to make our mark(about 90 percent of all books are written by white authors). 

on the other hand, having been born in a communist country with censorship, please, write what you want, but just know that even though you have every right to write whatever you wish, you&#039;ll hurt some of us.  many POC&#039;s won&#039;t be as forgiving, but some will.  to some POC&#039;s it will feel as if you are stealing from them... don&#039;t you want POC to write their our own books?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>personally, as a latina author who writes authentic people of color books (born in Havana Cuba, raised in a Cuban Miami barrio, and have Afro-Cuban, Chinese-Cuban, LGBTQI friends), i strongly feel most white authors can&#8217;t do a POC culture justice in their books by simply &#8220;doing the research.&#8221;  i suggest that you take time off and live among us, eat our food, learn our language (dialect, territorial colloquialisms, etc.). i believe in writing what one knows and this can mean several different things. for instance, i have many white friends who&#8217;ve grown up around Cubans. my closest white friend is a blonde, blue-eyed writer/historian who can easily write a Cuban-American book with an all Cuban American cast, as i&#8217;ve done. i&#8217;m a lesbian now, but i can write books about Cuban men, women and gays because i belong to a Cuban culture and gay subculture and i used to be straight. i know drag queens, lesbians, bi&#8217;s kings, trannies, and also straight Cuban males and females, like i know myself: intimately.  i also know some white folks i&#8217;ve been roommates with and feel confident i can write about them. I also know closely all sorts of people (from ill to off-the-wall) and these are the one&#8217;s i venture to write about</p>
<p>in other words.  i think that in order to get it right, it&#8217;s about writing what you know (or have known intimately).  there are few white folks who can get away with writing &#8220;authentic&#8221; POC characters without even having them as friends.  once again, i suggest you get to know the folks you&#8217;re writing about intimately, especially if they form part of a community of which outsiders know little about.</p>
<p>white authors, you should be scared, VERY scared&#8230; lol&#8230; ok, seriously, you should be worried because many POC feel you are stealing their souls.  we&#8217;ve never, ever had your same opportunities.  as an africanam friend would say, &#8220;the times of white people painting their faces black in hollywood are over.&#8221;  why don&#8217;t you sit back and allow us to get our work published while you keep writing what you know until we catch up?  shouldn&#8217;t it be about equal opportunity?  if so, please consider giving us a chance to make our mark(about 90 percent of all books are written by white authors). </p>
<p>on the other hand, having been born in a communist country with censorship, please, write what you want, but just know that even though you have every right to write whatever you wish, you&#8217;ll hurt some of us.  many POC&#8217;s won&#8217;t be as forgiving, but some will.  to some POC&#8217;s it will feel as if you are stealing from them&#8230; don&#8217;t you want POC to write their our own books?</p>
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		<title>By: Neesha Meminger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neesha Meminger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 19:22:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve posted my thoughts on this &lt;a href=&quot;http://neeshameminger.blogspot.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;on my own blog&lt;/a&gt;, but I just want to clarify, here, that I think Justine is stressing the importance of doing deep and adequate research &lt;i&gt;before&lt;/i&gt; writing characters of Colour, *writing* them, and then facing the consequences, whatever those might be -- whether it is praise, criticism, rage, people telling you you got it wrong, right, whatever.

Well said, angharad @ #17. I would add that the point (as I read it) is to not sit in fear, and to go out and do the work, then put it out there. Be brave. Take the feedback that *all* writers get. We get lashed at for all kinds of things. We get tons of things terribly wrong. This is no different. It&#039;s a learning curve. So, go out and learn. Once you think you&#039;ve done your very, &lt;i&gt;very&lt;/i&gt; best, put it out there and see what comes back. It&#039;s the only way to grow---as a writer, and as a person.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve posted my thoughts on this <a href="http://neeshameminger.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">on my own blog</a>, but I just want to clarify, here, that I think Justine is stressing the importance of doing deep and adequate research <i>before</i> writing characters of Colour, *writing* them, and then facing the consequences, whatever those might be &#8212; whether it is praise, criticism, rage, people telling you you got it wrong, right, whatever.</p>
<p>Well said, angharad @ #17. I would add that the point (as I read it) is to not sit in fear, and to go out and do the work, then put it out there. Be brave. Take the feedback that *all* writers get. We get lashed at for all kinds of things. We get tons of things terribly wrong. This is no different. It&#8217;s a learning curve. So, go out and learn. Once you think you&#8217;ve done your very, <i>very</i> best, put it out there and see what comes back. It&#8217;s the only way to grow&#8212;as a writer, and as a person.</p>
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		<title>By: Psych Babbler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Psych Babbler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 09:55:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice post! As a writer you have to be open to criticism no matter what. As an avid reader, from an Indian background, I actually have a problem with the way some Indian authors portray their Indian characters. Maybe that&#039;s because I identify more with a white person in terms of values etc. So I guess what I&#039;m trying to say is it&#039;s hard to please everyone. And I think that&#039;s true of human beings in general.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice post! As a writer you have to be open to criticism no matter what. As an avid reader, from an Indian background, I actually have a problem with the way some Indian authors portray their Indian characters. Maybe that&#8217;s because I identify more with a white person in terms of values etc. So I guess what I&#8217;m trying to say is it&#8217;s hard to please everyone. And I think that&#8217;s true of human beings in general.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Lawson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Lawson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 09:43:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I’ve been accused of promoting teenage pregnancy, homosexuality, and underage drinking.&quot; Where can I buy me that there book of yours, Justine?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I’ve been accused of promoting teenage pregnancy, homosexuality, and underage drinking.&#8221; Where can I buy me that there book of yours, Justine?</p>
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		<title>By: eric luper</title>
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		<dc:creator>eric luper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 19:54:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Justine, I agree. It&#039;s like there is &quot;heat&quot; either way, but the heat is very different. If you are not part of the group, the heat is that of an outsider who doesn&#039;t really know what he/she is talking about and should really keep his stupid mouth shut. If you are part of the group, you are a traitor and/or a sell out, not to mention self-loathing.

Either way there is heat and as an author this sort of heat does not feel good. However, I think that if we are not approaching these risky topics because of the fear of the heat, then we are doing a disservice to our readers and ourselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Justine, I agree. It&#8217;s like there is &#8220;heat&#8221; either way, but the heat is very different. If you are not part of the group, the heat is that of an outsider who doesn&#8217;t really know what he/she is talking about and should really keep his stupid mouth shut. If you are part of the group, you are a traitor and/or a sell out, not to mention self-loathing.</p>
<p>Either way there is heat and as an author this sort of heat does not feel good. However, I think that if we are not approaching these risky topics because of the fear of the heat, then we are doing a disservice to our readers and ourselves.</p>
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		<title>By: Justine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Justine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 18:30:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eric: It&#039;s really complicated. On the one hand, yes, if you are part of the group you are writing about you will know it inside out and you will get more leeway from your readers because they take your expertise as a given. But on the other hand, the insider writing the book often cops more criticism by a country mile. 

For instance Ntozake Shange&#039;s &lt;i&gt;For Colored Girls Who Have Considered Suicide When the Rainbow Is Enuf&lt;/i&gt; has been viciously attacked over the years by (mostly) African-American men for being anti-male and letting the side down. There are heaps of other examples. I&#039;ve seen strong criticisms of Coe Booth&#039;s &lt;i&gt;Tyrell&lt;/i&gt; for not showing a &quot;positive&quot; picture of African-American life and, yes, letting her people down.

I&#039;ve seen Jewish writers attacked by other Jews for being self-hating Jews. Etc. etc.  

So I&#039;m not sure I agree with you. I think all writers get attacked over the issue of representation. I don&#039;t see a double standard there.

I get why it&#039;s more fraught for a white writer to use the &quot;n&quot; word than it is for a black writer. It &lt;i&gt;should&lt;/i&gt; be more fraught. We white writers should think about it long and hard. Because historically we&#039;re the ones who&#039;ve done the damage with it. 

So, yeah, I thought it was absolutely appropriate that the character in &lt;i&gt;Bug Boy&lt;/i&gt; would say that word give the setting and that character&#039;s attitudes. I would have used it had I written &lt;i&gt;Bug Boy&lt;/i&gt; but I suspect it would not have gotten past editorial. I suspect that&#039;s true of most YA publishing houses.

I used the word &quot;nappy&quot; in &lt;i&gt;Liar&lt;/i&gt; because it&#039;s the word Micah would use. But as it&#039;s a word that black communities are very divided over I thought long and hard about it. I read lots of pro and con arguments about the word. I talked to many friends about it. And decided to keep the word but, yes, it has &lt;a href=&quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://justinelarbalestier.com/blog/2009/07/23/aint-that-a-shame/#comment-82484&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;upset some readers&lt;/a&gt; and I feel bad about that. But I also think it was the right decision.

Do I think I&#039;ll attract more criticism for using the word because I&#039;m white? Probably not. You just have to look at &lt;a href=&quot;http://articles.latimes.com/1999/mar/25/news/mn-20855&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;the debate over&lt;/a&gt; Carolivia Herron&#039;s &lt;i&gt;Nappy Hair&lt;/i&gt; to see that black authors get attacked as well. They&#039;re absolutely not immune. 

I think we need to be more careful because a white person using those words &lt;i&gt;is&lt;/i&gt; more offensive. But plenty of white writers use the &quot;n&quot; word and don&#039;t attract tonnes of criticism. I&#039;m thinking of Richard Price&#039;s work, such as &lt;i&gt;Clockers&lt;/i&gt; and the writers of &lt;i&gt;The Wire&lt;/i&gt; in particular. But there are other examples.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eric: It&#8217;s really complicated. On the one hand, yes, if you are part of the group you are writing about you will know it inside out and you will get more leeway from your readers because they take your expertise as a given. But on the other hand, the insider writing the book often cops more criticism by a country mile. </p>
<p>For instance Ntozake Shange&#8217;s <i>For Colored Girls Who Have Considered Suicide When the Rainbow Is Enuf</i> has been viciously attacked over the years by (mostly) African-American men for being anti-male and letting the side down. There are heaps of other examples. I&#8217;ve seen strong criticisms of Coe Booth&#8217;s <i>Tyrell</i> for not showing a &#8220;positive&#8221; picture of African-American life and, yes, letting her people down.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve seen Jewish writers attacked by other Jews for being self-hating Jews. Etc. etc.  </p>
<p>So I&#8217;m not sure I agree with you. I think all writers get attacked over the issue of representation. I don&#8217;t see a double standard there.</p>
<p>I get why it&#8217;s more fraught for a white writer to use the &#8220;n&#8221; word than it is for a black writer. It <i>should</i> be more fraught. We white writers should think about it long and hard. Because historically we&#8217;re the ones who&#8217;ve done the damage with it. </p>
<p>So, yeah, I thought it was absolutely appropriate that the character in <i>Bug Boy</i> would say that word give the setting and that character&#8217;s attitudes. I would have used it had I written <i>Bug Boy</i> but I suspect it would not have gotten past editorial. I suspect that&#8217;s true of most YA publishing houses.</p>
<p>I used the word &#8220;nappy&#8221; in <i>Liar</i> because it&#8217;s the word Micah would use. But as it&#8217;s a word that black communities are very divided over I thought long and hard about it. I read lots of pro and con arguments about the word. I talked to many friends about it. And decided to keep the word but, yes, it has <a href="<a href="http://justinelarbalestier.com/blog/2009/07/23/aint-that-a-shame/#comment-82484" rel="nofollow">upset some readers</a> and I feel bad about that. But I also think it was the right decision.</p>
<p>Do I think I&#8217;ll attract more criticism for using the word because I&#8217;m white? Probably not. You just have to look at <a href="http://articles.latimes.com/1999/mar/25/news/mn-20855" rel="nofollow">the debate over</a> Carolivia Herron&#8217;s <i>Nappy Hair</i> to see that black authors get attacked as well. They&#8217;re absolutely not immune. </p>
<p>I think we need to be more careful because a white person using those words <i>is</i> more offensive. But plenty of white writers use the &#8220;n&#8221; word and don&#8217;t attract tonnes of criticism. I&#8217;m thinking of Richard Price&#8217;s work, such as <i>Clockers</i> and the writers of <i>The Wire</i> in particular. But there are other examples.</p>
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		<title>By: eric luper</title>
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		<dc:creator>eric luper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 16:56:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Two years ago I had a woman approach me at a book signing indicating that she was offended that I wrote a character by the name of Mrs. Nussbaum that was offensive to Jews. Mind you, this character only appeared for about 3 pages, but this woman pointed out that Mrs. Nussbaum was abrasive and pushy and had the only &quot;ethnic&quot; name in my novel. She was pretty much right about this.

In chatting with her, it came out that I am Jewish myself and that completely disarmed this woman. She told me that she couldn&#039;t very well be offended if I&#039;m Jewish too.

This interaction struck me as very interesting and I came to realize that there really is a double standard when it comes to what is and is not appropriate. It&#039;s like you have a wider berth if you are of the particular group you are characterizing. 

And this I do not like. Enough that in my second novel I avoided use of the &quot;n&quot; word even though I knew in my heart that it needed to be in there. And Justine, you are the only one who has called me on this issue thus far.

But I think this is the region we as writers should be exploring. With every word we write we are making observations and if these observations don&#039;t ruffle a few feathers then what are we doing it for?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two years ago I had a woman approach me at a book signing indicating that she was offended that I wrote a character by the name of Mrs. Nussbaum that was offensive to Jews. Mind you, this character only appeared for about 3 pages, but this woman pointed out that Mrs. Nussbaum was abrasive and pushy and had the only &#8220;ethnic&#8221; name in my novel. She was pretty much right about this.</p>
<p>In chatting with her, it came out that I am Jewish myself and that completely disarmed this woman. She told me that she couldn&#8217;t very well be offended if I&#8217;m Jewish too.</p>
<p>This interaction struck me as very interesting and I came to realize that there really is a double standard when it comes to what is and is not appropriate. It&#8217;s like you have a wider berth if you are of the particular group you are characterizing. </p>
<p>And this I do not like. Enough that in my second novel I avoided use of the &#8220;n&#8221; word even though I knew in my heart that it needed to be in there. And Justine, you are the only one who has called me on this issue thus far.</p>
<p>But I think this is the region we as writers should be exploring. With every word we write we are making observations and if these observations don&#8217;t ruffle a few feathers then what are we doing it for?</p>
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		<title>By: Shveta</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shveta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 15:45:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Beth,

Those kinds of people make me sigh.  I don&#039;t know what to do to get them to a) understand that the world doesn&#039;t revolve around them and b) take an interest in the people not like him.</description>
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<p>Those kinds of people make me sigh.  I don&#8217;t know what to do to get them to a) understand that the world doesn&#8217;t revolve around them and b) take an interest in the people not like him.</p>
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		<title>By: Shveta</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shveta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 15:26:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Justine, *love*.  That is all.</description>
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		<title>By: John H</title>
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		<dc:creator>John H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 14:03:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s a thought -- you can try defusing the issue within your story. To use Karen Mahoney&#039;s scene as an example, her white protag could bring up some stereotypes that didn&#039;t occur and have her Indian friend ask if all Indians are expected to be exactly the same. Or something like, &quot;Well, six nights a week it&#039;s curry, but you just happened to visit on pizza night.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s a thought &#8212; you can try defusing the issue within your story. To use Karen Mahoney&#8217;s scene as an example, her white protag could bring up some stereotypes that didn&#8217;t occur and have her Indian friend ask if all Indians are expected to be exactly the same. Or something like, &#8220;Well, six nights a week it&#8217;s curry, but you just happened to visit on pizza night.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Julia Lawrinson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Julia Lawrinson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 08:35:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Justine, I&#039;ve been trying to get rid of the cast of thousands at my shoulder as I work on my latest, which includes a girl from an (unidentified) Middle Eastern background, amongst other things (sex! incest! poor girls made good!). I have had dreams of being full of an auditorium full of critical people, slamming me for this or that or the other thing, as in fact does happen (less literally) once things get into the public sphere.  But this post has helped me dispel the critical crowds, or at least feel slightly less crippled by the prospect of them.  Thank you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Justine, I&#8217;ve been trying to get rid of the cast of thousands at my shoulder as I work on my latest, which includes a girl from an (unidentified) Middle Eastern background, amongst other things (sex! incest! poor girls made good!). I have had dreams of being full of an auditorium full of critical people, slamming me for this or that or the other thing, as in fact does happen (less literally) once things get into the public sphere.  But this post has helped me dispel the critical crowds, or at least feel slightly less crippled by the prospect of them.  Thank you.</p>
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