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	<title>Comments on: In Which Me and Scalzi Lay Down the Law and then Realise that We&#8217;re Full of it</title>
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		<title>By: Katee R</title>
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		<dc:creator>Katee R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 05:55:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, my mom washed my mouth out with soap in the early 90s and I have it on good authority that she did it with my little brothers as well (a few years ago). So it&#039;s not an only-1950s thing!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, my mom washed my mouth out with soap in the early 90s and I have it on good authority that she did it with my little brothers as well (a few years ago). So it&#8217;s not an only-1950s thing!</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick Shepherd</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patrick Shepherd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 20:40:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Very few people can agree on what good writing is.&quot;

Very true. But its opposite, agreement on what constitutes bad writing, has a little more consensus. Clearly, technical lapses such as bad grammar, punctuation, spelling, etc. should not be present in a well written work (unless they are there intentionally for some valid story reason, such portraying the patios of a particular area accurately). Illogical or inconsistent plot developments, lack of an actual story (essays or polemics disguised as fiction), one or two dimensional characters, prose that is cliched or purple, inclusion of &#039;facts&#039; that aren&#039;t, these are all fairly well recognized markers of poor writing. Only in the absence of these items do we have something that might be considered good writing, although such absence certainly doesn&#039;t guarantee that it is &#039;good writing&#039;. 

But after taking out these fairly readily seen and objective items, what&#039;s left is where subjectivity really holds sway. And of course, my subjectivity says that anything written by Scalzi or Larbalestier is excellent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Very few people can agree on what good writing is.&#8221;</p>
<p>Very true. But its opposite, agreement on what constitutes bad writing, has a little more consensus. Clearly, technical lapses such as bad grammar, punctuation, spelling, etc. should not be present in a well written work (unless they are there intentionally for some valid story reason, such portraying the patios of a particular area accurately). Illogical or inconsistent plot developments, lack of an actual story (essays or polemics disguised as fiction), one or two dimensional characters, prose that is cliched or purple, inclusion of &#8216;facts&#8217; that aren&#8217;t, these are all fairly well recognized markers of poor writing. Only in the absence of these items do we have something that might be considered good writing, although such absence certainly doesn&#8217;t guarantee that it is &#8216;good writing&#8217;. </p>
<p>But after taking out these fairly readily seen and objective items, what&#8217;s left is where subjectivity really holds sway. And of course, my subjectivity says that anything written by Scalzi or Larbalestier is excellent.</p>
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		<title>By: Harry Connolly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Harry Connolly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 20:40:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Something fun for the next time you&#039;re tempted to IM John Scalzi.  Go to Amazon.com instead, look up a classic novel, and read through all the one-star comments.  

Hilarious and energizing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Something fun for the next time you&#8217;re tempted to IM John Scalzi.  Go to Amazon.com instead, look up a classic novel, and read through all the one-star comments.  </p>
<p>Hilarious and energizing.</p>
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		<title>By: John H</title>
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		<dc:creator>John H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 15:02:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>IMO, the true test of whether or not a book is written well is if it keeps the reader engaged in the story. Whatever words are placed in the path of the reader should only be there to move the story along -- phrases that distract or disrupt the flow of the story should be considered bad writing, with few exceptions.

An example I would cite is the third book in Notre-Dame de Paris, which reads like a 50-page travelogue of 15th century Paris. As fascinating as those chapters may be in their own right, to me they were a bucket of cold water, pulling me out of the story for little more than the author&#039;s indulgence.

Another example that is fresh on my mind, in the series of books I&#039;m currently reading -- political diatribes in the middle of the story. I won&#039;t name the author I&#039;m reading at the moment, but let&#039;s just say that I got to a certain book in the series and thought someone had replaced most of the story with Atlas Shrugged. I half expected John Galt to make a cameo at some point. I realize the author may be awash in Randian Objectivism, and I have no problem with him writing an homage to his hero. The problem I have is when he inexplicably drops it in 4500 pages into the overall story and uses it like a club to bludgeon me into submission. It damn near ruined the series for me, and I find myself looking for hidden meaning in the remaining books.

Finally, a pet peeve of mine that also distracts and disrupts, but one that probably isn&#039;t going to go away anytime soon: words that are spelled correctly but are totally incorrect in the context of the sentence. &quot;That&quot; instead of &quot;than&quot;, or &quot;lead&quot; instead of &quot;led&quot;, etc. Or when a character&#039;s name suddenly changes for an instant, as though the author decided to rename someone and missed an occurrence of the original name. I blame it on spell-check software which is less likely to notice such mistakes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IMO, the true test of whether or not a book is written well is if it keeps the reader engaged in the story. Whatever words are placed in the path of the reader should only be there to move the story along &#8212; phrases that distract or disrupt the flow of the story should be considered bad writing, with few exceptions.</p>
<p>An example I would cite is the third book in Notre-Dame de Paris, which reads like a 50-page travelogue of 15th century Paris. As fascinating as those chapters may be in their own right, to me they were a bucket of cold water, pulling me out of the story for little more than the author&#8217;s indulgence.</p>
<p>Another example that is fresh on my mind, in the series of books I&#8217;m currently reading &#8212; political diatribes in the middle of the story. I won&#8217;t name the author I&#8217;m reading at the moment, but let&#8217;s just say that I got to a certain book in the series and thought someone had replaced most of the story with Atlas Shrugged. I half expected John Galt to make a cameo at some point. I realize the author may be awash in Randian Objectivism, and I have no problem with him writing an homage to his hero. The problem I have is when he inexplicably drops it in 4500 pages into the overall story and uses it like a club to bludgeon me into submission. It damn near ruined the series for me, and I find myself looking for hidden meaning in the remaining books.</p>
<p>Finally, a pet peeve of mine that also distracts and disrupts, but one that probably isn&#8217;t going to go away anytime soon: words that are spelled correctly but are totally incorrect in the context of the sentence. &#8220;That&#8221; instead of &#8220;than&#8221;, or &#8220;lead&#8221; instead of &#8220;led&#8221;, etc. Or when a character&#8217;s name suddenly changes for an instant, as though the author decided to rename someone and missed an occurrence of the original name. I blame it on spell-check software which is less likely to notice such mistakes.</p>
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		<title>By: kt literary &#187; Blog Archive &#187; I Have Not Forgotten</title>
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		<dc:creator>kt literary &#187; Blog Archive &#187; I Have Not Forgotten</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2009 22:12:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] And how do you quantify &#8220;best&#8221; when it comes to reviews? Justine Larbalestier had a post recently on the topic of reviews, but for my part, I enjoy a review that makes me rethink my own [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] And how do you quantify &#8220;best&#8221; when it comes to reviews? Justine Larbalestier had a post recently on the topic of reviews, but for my part, I enjoy a review that makes me rethink my own [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Clix</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2009 03:07:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Justine, I&#039;m with you on hating Hemingway, but I&#039;ve got to give him some credit for doing something &lt;i&gt;different&lt;/i&gt; in such a way that other writers went &lt;i&gt;hmmmm..&lt;/i&gt; and built on his ideas and came up with amazing literature. 

Kind of like Newton (I think?) talking about standing on the shoulders of giants. And now we know that Newton was wrong about A LOT of things, but even so, a lot of what has been discovered since his time, including his wrong-ness, might not have been possible without his ideas.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Justine, I&#8217;m with you on hating Hemingway, but I&#8217;ve got to give him some credit for doing something <i>different</i> in such a way that other writers went <i>hmmmm..</i> and built on his ideas and came up with amazing literature. </p>
<p>Kind of like Newton (I think?) talking about standing on the shoulders of giants. And now we know that Newton was wrong about A LOT of things, but even so, a lot of what has been discovered since his time, including his wrong-ness, might not have been possible without his ideas.</p>
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		<title>By: Ronni</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ronni</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 13:51:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Megan, I&#039;m a reviewer too, and I&#039;m appalled at the behaviour of that author! How unprofessional!

I&#039;ve been reviewing for about six years now, and I go through phases in terms of the types of reviews I write.  When I was starting out, I found it almost impossible to write negative reviews, and if I couldn&#039;t write a positive review, I would avoid reviewing the book.  About three years ago, this changed, and I suddenly found it much easier to write negative reviews.  Books that I unequivocally liked I avoided reviewing as I found it almost impossible to convey the (usually incredibly subjective) reasons why I adored the book.  My opinion at this point is that nobody reacts to a book objectively, and it is dishonest to write a review as if you have reacted objectively.  

By all means locate the book in its thematic and stylistic context - this helps readers work out whether it&#039;s the sort of thing they might like reading - but don&#039;t be afraid to state your opinion. Readers have a right to know a reviewer&#039;s opinion of a book, but, more importantly, they have a right to know WHY a reviewer formed that particular opinion. Be subjective, but make your subjectivity explicit. There are a number of things - both thematic and stylistic - that I dislike, and anyone who has read a handful of my reviews can probably figure them out, but I trust that as long as I make the reasons for my dislike of a book explicit, readers are intelligent enough to make up their own minds.

Sorry to get so long-winded, I just love discussing reviewing!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Megan, I&#8217;m a reviewer too, and I&#8217;m appalled at the behaviour of that author! How unprofessional!</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been reviewing for about six years now, and I go through phases in terms of the types of reviews I write.  When I was starting out, I found it almost impossible to write negative reviews, and if I couldn&#8217;t write a positive review, I would avoid reviewing the book.  About three years ago, this changed, and I suddenly found it much easier to write negative reviews.  Books that I unequivocally liked I avoided reviewing as I found it almost impossible to convey the (usually incredibly subjective) reasons why I adored the book.  My opinion at this point is that nobody reacts to a book objectively, and it is dishonest to write a review as if you have reacted objectively.  </p>
<p>By all means locate the book in its thematic and stylistic context &#8211; this helps readers work out whether it&#8217;s the sort of thing they might like reading &#8211; but don&#8217;t be afraid to state your opinion. Readers have a right to know a reviewer&#8217;s opinion of a book, but, more importantly, they have a right to know WHY a reviewer formed that particular opinion. Be subjective, but make your subjectivity explicit. There are a number of things &#8211; both thematic and stylistic &#8211; that I dislike, and anyone who has read a handful of my reviews can probably figure them out, but I trust that as long as I make the reasons for my dislike of a book explicit, readers are intelligent enough to make up their own minds.</p>
<p>Sorry to get so long-winded, I just love discussing reviewing!</p>
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		<title>By: marty</title>
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		<dc:creator>marty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 06:48:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had my mouth washed out when I was a kid. Since that was in the 70&#039;s the assertion &quot;not since the 1950s&quot; is proved false. 

I called my mother a &quot;dirty rat&quot;. I blame television.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had my mouth washed out when I was a kid. Since that was in the 70&#8217;s the assertion &#8220;not since the 1950s&#8221; is proved false. </p>
<p>I called my mother a &#8220;dirty rat&#8221;. I blame television.</p>
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		<title>By: Saints and Spinners</title>
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		<dc:creator>Saints and Spinners</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 05:01:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll read a book that&#039;s not in my particular genre or has a subject I don&#039;t particularly care for if a friend or trusted reviewer really likes the book. For example, I don&#039;t care for zombie themes, but I was riveted by World War Z. When I received the ARC for Liar, I thought, &quot;Hmm, I&#039;ve had bad experiences with 2 different friends who turned out to be compulsive liars. Is a book with an unreliable narrator going to infuriate me?&quot; 

Yes, it did! And I couldn&#039;t put it down. I cared about the story and it has stayed with me. I&#039;m so glad I read it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll read a book that&#8217;s not in my particular genre or has a subject I don&#8217;t particularly care for if a friend or trusted reviewer really likes the book. For example, I don&#8217;t care for zombie themes, but I was riveted by World War Z. When I received the ARC for Liar, I thought, &#8220;Hmm, I&#8217;ve had bad experiences with 2 different friends who turned out to be compulsive liars. Is a book with an unreliable narrator going to infuriate me?&#8221; </p>
<p>Yes, it did! And I couldn&#8217;t put it down. I cared about the story and it has stayed with me. I&#8217;m so glad I read it.</p>
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		<title>By: Colleen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Colleen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 02:56:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I second the positive comments for &quot;Tam Lin&quot; - it&#039;s one of my all time favorite books, period and if you haven&#039;t read it you really need to give a try, regardless of the campus setting. 

I personally can not stand a book where dogs die. Even if they just die of old age, it gets me every single time. I&#039;ve been with too many dogs I loved in their final moments and I get so emotional over memories that I lose the book entirely. I can&#039;t even read these books let alone review them. It&#039;s best for everyone involved that I just put the dead dog book aside and back away slowly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I second the positive comments for &#8220;Tam Lin&#8221; &#8211; it&#8217;s one of my all time favorite books, period and if you haven&#8217;t read it you really need to give a try, regardless of the campus setting. </p>
<p>I personally can not stand a book where dogs die. Even if they just die of old age, it gets me every single time. I&#8217;ve been with too many dogs I loved in their final moments and I get so emotional over memories that I lose the book entirely. I can&#8217;t even read these books let alone review them. It&#8217;s best for everyone involved that I just put the dead dog book aside and back away slowly.</p>
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		<title>By: Megan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Megan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 01:52:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m a reviewer and get sent books from publishers.

I reviewed this one book, in which the author directly contacted me. We had heaps of emails back and forward, friendly, chatty, before I actually read her book, and once my review was up she went ape on me, emailing me to disagree and argue. She even accused my family of not being loving!

It was completely unprofessional and I can&#039;t believe she did that. I gave it an average review, but I explained and justified all my comments. I just didn&#039;t say &quot;it sucked&quot;.

On that same book, she also sent it to another reviewer: this other reviewer was only 13. She wrote a five line review, saying what it was about and whether it was good or not.

I think age has a lot to do with it as well. If you get older, seasoned reviewers, they are more likely to do a fair, just review rather than younger ones, who&#039;ll write &quot;good/bad&quot;.

or is that a generalization?

regardless, i don&#039;t think it&#039;s in the author&#039;s power to dictate what reviews says/how they said it/get angry for bad reviews!!! (ala alice hoffman/the author in my example)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a reviewer and get sent books from publishers.</p>
<p>I reviewed this one book, in which the author directly contacted me. We had heaps of emails back and forward, friendly, chatty, before I actually read her book, and once my review was up she went ape on me, emailing me to disagree and argue. She even accused my family of not being loving!</p>
<p>It was completely unprofessional and I can&#8217;t believe she did that. I gave it an average review, but I explained and justified all my comments. I just didn&#8217;t say &#8220;it sucked&#8221;.</p>
<p>On that same book, she also sent it to another reviewer: this other reviewer was only 13. She wrote a five line review, saying what it was about and whether it was good or not.</p>
<p>I think age has a lot to do with it as well. If you get older, seasoned reviewers, they are more likely to do a fair, just review rather than younger ones, who&#8217;ll write &#8220;good/bad&#8221;.</p>
<p>or is that a generalization?</p>
<p>regardless, i don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s in the author&#8217;s power to dictate what reviews says/how they said it/get angry for bad reviews!!! (ala alice hoffman/the author in my example)</p>
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		<title>By: wandering-dreamer</title>
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		<dc:creator>wandering-dreamer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 01:24:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One of the things which always puzzled me in high school (especially in my AP Lit class where the books you read make or break the test for you) is why the great 20th century authors were so great and modern YA writers weren&#039;t? I think in that class I like one, maybe three of the books we read (who would&#039;ve guessed that the Canterbury Tales and I would&#039;ve hit it off so well?) and I just couldn&#039;t understand how the books (Like The Sun Also Rises and Mrs. Dalloway, which is &quot;astral projection stream of consciousness&quot; so I guess some teachers disagree about the narrator thing...) were great.
I do review anime I watch on my livejournal (more out of boredom than anything else) and I do make the effort to try and think of the good and bad points in the story and explain WHY I like it, guess I&#039;m just a silly teenager who doesn&#039;t know how to review....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the things which always puzzled me in high school (especially in my AP Lit class where the books you read make or break the test for you) is why the great 20th century authors were so great and modern YA writers weren&#8217;t? I think in that class I like one, maybe three of the books we read (who would&#8217;ve guessed that the Canterbury Tales and I would&#8217;ve hit it off so well?) and I just couldn&#8217;t understand how the books (Like The Sun Also Rises and Mrs. Dalloway, which is &#8220;astral projection stream of consciousness&#8221; so I guess some teachers disagree about the narrator thing&#8230;) were great.<br />
I do review anime I watch on my livejournal (more out of boredom than anything else) and I do make the effort to try and think of the good and bad points in the story and explain WHY I like it, guess I&#8217;m just a silly teenager who doesn&#8217;t know how to review&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: lili wilkinson</title>
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		<dc:creator>lili wilkinson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 00:08:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My most hated review is the kind that spends three paragraphs summarising the plot and then writes &quot;this is a well-written novel that will appeal to teenage girls&quot; or something. And that&#039;s it. This is not a book review.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My most hated review is the kind that spends three paragraphs summarising the plot and then writes &#8220;this is a well-written novel that will appeal to teenage girls&#8221; or something. And that&#8217;s it. This is not a book review.</p>
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		<title>By: Justine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Justine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 23:36:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doret: I&#039;m the same. Though actually I find any review very very hard to write. I have a huge amount of respect for the really good reviewers.

Though I must confess I do (in a guilty way) enjoy certain bad reviews when they&#039;re really well done. Especially if they&#039;re bad reviews of books I hate. I know. I am bad person.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doret: I&#8217;m the same. Though actually I find any review very very hard to write. I have a huge amount of respect for the really good reviewers.</p>
<p>Though I must confess I do (in a guilty way) enjoy certain bad reviews when they&#8217;re really well done. Especially if they&#8217;re bad reviews of books I hate. I know. I am bad person.</p>
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		<title>By: Doret</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doret</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 22:30:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If I don&#039;t like a book I won&#039;t review it.  Books I don&#039;t care can give me a bad case of the potty mouth. I simply don&#039;t have it in me to breakdown what didn&#039;t work for me  without getting all emotional with it.  

So I respect any blogger who can write a good bad review.  They can state what they didn&#039;t like or what didn&#039;t work for them without getting a smart mouth or rude about it.  They also make a point of mentioning what they did like.  I actually think its harder to write a review for a book you didn&#039;t like.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I don&#8217;t like a book I won&#8217;t review it.  Books I don&#8217;t care can give me a bad case of the potty mouth. I simply don&#8217;t have it in me to breakdown what didn&#8217;t work for me  without getting all emotional with it.  </p>
<p>So I respect any blogger who can write a good bad review.  They can state what they didn&#8217;t like or what didn&#8217;t work for them without getting a smart mouth or rude about it.  They also make a point of mentioning what they did like.  I actually think its harder to write a review for a book you didn&#8217;t like.</p>
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		<title>By: Pixelfish</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pixelfish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 21:17:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris McLaren: Tam Lin jumped to my mind as well. It made me miss the college experience I didn&#039;t quite have. (I would so do my early college education over again, if I could.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris McLaren: Tam Lin jumped to my mind as well. It made me miss the college experience I didn&#8217;t quite have. (I would so do my early college education over again, if I could.)</p>
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		<title>By: Jennifer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jennifer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 20:51:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Heh. I mentioned a book the other day where I don&#039;t know why I didn&#039;t love it, I just wasn&#039;t feeling into it. Not a darn thing was wrong with the book except me, and I admitted as much. There seems to be an outcry for reviewers to explain why they didn&#039;t finish a book and to publicly mention this. I don&#039;t really agree with that if it&#039;s really a question of &quot;book did nothing bad, I was just bored for some reason,&quot; but apparently people want to know this information. Beats me why.

I think reviewers should mention their personal quirks if it&#039;s gonna be a factor in the review. I, for example, hate &quot;sperm bandit&quot; books where someone sleeps with a dude in order to get pregnant, and will admit to this if that&#039;s a plot element of the book. Now, maybe the rest of the book will trump my hate (sometimes that has happened, in one case it did not), but I think it&#039;s fair to mention because apparently more people than me LIKE this sort of thing and it would not be something they&#039;d consider bad in a book.

*cough* Yay, someone else hates Mad Men *cough*</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heh. I mentioned a book the other day where I don&#8217;t know why I didn&#8217;t love it, I just wasn&#8217;t feeling into it. Not a darn thing was wrong with the book except me, and I admitted as much. There seems to be an outcry for reviewers to explain why they didn&#8217;t finish a book and to publicly mention this. I don&#8217;t really agree with that if it&#8217;s really a question of &#8220;book did nothing bad, I was just bored for some reason,&#8221; but apparently people want to know this information. Beats me why.</p>
<p>I think reviewers should mention their personal quirks if it&#8217;s gonna be a factor in the review. I, for example, hate &#8220;sperm bandit&#8221; books where someone sleeps with a dude in order to get pregnant, and will admit to this if that&#8217;s a plot element of the book. Now, maybe the rest of the book will trump my hate (sometimes that has happened, in one case it did not), but I think it&#8217;s fair to mention because apparently more people than me LIKE this sort of thing and it would not be something they&#8217;d consider bad in a book.</p>
<p>*cough* Yay, someone else hates Mad Men *cough*</p>
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		<title>By: Jane</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 19:29:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a reader, here&#039;s what I want from a review: to know whether I will like this book.

I want something objective.  I want it to compare this work with other works in several technical aspects.

I couldn&#039;t care less whether the reviewer liked the book.

You and Scalzi are bang on.  Stop second-guessing yourselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a reader, here&#8217;s what I want from a review: to know whether I will like this book.</p>
<p>I want something objective.  I want it to compare this work with other works in several technical aspects.</p>
<p>I couldn&#8217;t care less whether the reviewer liked the book.</p>
<p>You and Scalzi are bang on.  Stop second-guessing yourselves.</p>
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		<title>By: angharad</title>
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		<dc:creator>angharad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 18:47:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A lot of bloggers try to be objective, especially the ones that are reviewing YA and children&#039;s books.  They want to be professional-- they want to be helpful to librarians trying to decide what to buy for their collections.  I just want to say, No, Honey!  Be all subjective!  That way I can read what they&#039;ve said about previous books and get a much clearer idea whether I will like a particular book they review.  Some people can write a negative review that makes me want to run right out and buy a book.  Even with them, though, &quot;This book sucked,&quot; is not very helpful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A lot of bloggers try to be objective, especially the ones that are reviewing YA and children&#8217;s books.  They want to be professional&#8211; they want to be helpful to librarians trying to decide what to buy for their collections.  I just want to say, No, Honey!  Be all subjective!  That way I can read what they&#8217;ve said about previous books and get a much clearer idea whether I will like a particular book they review.  Some people can write a negative review that makes me want to run right out and buy a book.  Even with them, though, &#8220;This book sucked,&#8221; is not very helpful.</p>
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		<title>By: Julia Rios</title>
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		<dc:creator>Julia Rios</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 18:30:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To be fair, as a reader I hate seeing reviews that simply say, &quot;This sucked. I hated it.&quot; The same goes for, &quot;Wonderful book! I loved it!&quot; Neither of these assertions can help me decide whether or not to pick up the book without more context.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To be fair, as a reader I hate seeing reviews that simply say, &#8220;This sucked. I hated it.&#8221; The same goes for, &#8220;Wonderful book! I loved it!&#8221; Neither of these assertions can help me decide whether or not to pick up the book without more context.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris McLaren</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris McLaren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 18:06:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hope the reason footnote 4 doesn&#039;t include Pamela Dean&#039;s Tam Lin is because you haven&#039;t read it, and not because you are full of WRONG.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope the reason footnote 4 doesn&#8217;t include Pamela Dean&#8217;s Tam Lin is because you haven&#8217;t read it, and not because you are full of WRONG.</p>
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		<title>By: Justine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Justine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 17:29:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>King Rat: It&#039;s hooey. Which is the point of this post: that many of us writers are full of hooey.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>King Rat: It&#8217;s hooey. Which is the point of this post: that many of us writers are full of hooey.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Black</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason Black</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 17:29:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This reminds me enormously of my book review of Sherman Alexie&#039;s &quot;Lone Ranger and Tonto Fistfight in Heaven&quot;:

http://cloister27.livejournal.com/45694.html

Not that anybody actually reads my book reviews, but that, too, was a book that I simply couldn&#039;t review objectively because so much of what I loved about it was the enormously personal way that the book&#039;s setting resonated with my own childhood.

At least in my case I wasn&#039;t saying the book sucked (it doesn&#039;t), and I took pains to point out that my opinions were inescapably subjective...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This reminds me enormously of my book review of Sherman Alexie&#8217;s &#8220;Lone Ranger and Tonto Fistfight in Heaven&#8221;:</p>
<p><a href="http://cloister27.livejournal.com/45694.html" rel="nofollow">http://cloister27.livejournal.com/45694.html</a></p>
<p>Not that anybody actually reads my book reviews, but that, too, was a book that I simply couldn&#8217;t review objectively because so much of what I loved about it was the enormously personal way that the book&#8217;s setting resonated with my own childhood.</p>
<p>At least in my case I wasn&#8217;t saying the book sucked (it doesn&#8217;t), and I took pains to point out that my opinions were inescapably subjective&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: King Rat</title>
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		<dc:creator>King Rat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 17:26:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;did everything it set out to achieve&quot;

I still want to know how a book communicates what it is trying to achieve.  I keep seeing this from authors.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;did everything it set out to achieve&#8221;</p>
<p>I still want to know how a book communicates what it is trying to achieve.  I keep seeing this from authors.</p>
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