Comments on: Condescending Reviews are Us (update)

By: keenai

keenai — Wed, 14 Oct 2009 02:19:59 +0000

How big of a dork does it make me that I’ve been thinking about this since you first posted it? I don’t think these have been posted, but I’ll add them:

1-800-WHERE ARE YOU #5: Missing You – Meg Cabot (Science Fiction)
Feeling Sorry for Celia – Jaclyn Moriarty (Epistolary)
American Born Chinese – Gene Luen Yang (Graphic Novel)
A Certain Slant of Light – Laura Whitcomb (Fantasy)
Story of a Girl (Contemporary Realism)
Boy Meets Boy (LGBT)

By: Jet at scatterbeams

Jet at scatterbeams — Mon, 05 Oct 2009 18:04:59 +0000

ack… i wasn’t done… also:

DUST OF 100 DOGS by a.s. king
ABUNDANCE OF KATHERINES by john green (love that there are smart boys here, comfortable with being smart boys)
BEAUTY by robin mckinley

i think that’s a pretty good range of books; i had a hard time NOT adding

CURIOUS CASE OF THE DOG IN THE NIGHTTIME
HOW I LIVE NOW
HUNGER GAMES
HATCHET

but you said five, and i’m a bit of a rule-follower

By: Jet at scatterbeams

Jet at scatterbeams — Mon, 05 Oct 2009 17:55:59 +0000

chiming in late: i saved the comment list to inspire my TBR pile – with so many good books in YA it is inconceivable** that YA is still seen as somehow a lesser genre
**(inigo: i do not think that word means what you think it means)

my list would include:

TOUCHING SNOW by m. sindy felin
MIDNIGHTERS by scott westerfeld
DUST OF 100 DOGS

By: Lauren

Lauren — Mon, 14 Sep 2009 19:26:03 +0000

I’d add How I Live Now and What I was, both by Meg Rosoff.

Also, The Curious Incident of the Dog in the Night Time, which to my mind is a YA novel.

The Times is annoying on many levels, but it might be best to merely ignore them. Do our readers pay much attention to their reviews anyway? The best revenge is to write and sell good books. History is the ultimate arbiter.

By: Susan Loyal

Susan Loyal — Mon, 14 Sep 2009 15:58:37 +0000

The Green Glass Sea, Ellen Klages (historical)
The Knife of Never Letting Go, Patrick Ness (science fiction)
Eon, Alison Goodman (fantasy)
TWOC, Graham Joyce (psychological/magical realism)
Midnighters, Scott Westerfeld (horror)

just to add some fuel to the fire! Lots of lovely books listed above already.

By: wandering-dreamer

wandering-dreamer — Sat, 12 Sep 2009 04:15:29 +0000

*writes down those titles to look up later*
I really don’t get why so many people diss YA lit. So it’s aimed at teenagers, your point? So teenagers don’t (always) have the same viewpoints as adults, your point? And supposedly these aren’t deep books? I always got a ton more out of my YA reading than any of the books I had to read in school so does that actually make YA lit better? It just feels like some silly elitism so that some people can justify not reading YA lit, their loss I suppose.

By: angharad

angharad — Fri, 11 Sep 2009 17:56:38 +0000

I’m tempted by A True and Faithful Narrative, but I can’t pass up a list entirely made of MT Anderson. You said five different genre, not five different authors. The man is too brilliant.

Feed
Octavian Nothing
Thirsty
Game of Sunken Places
Whales on Stilts

What do you mean WOS isn’t YA? La! La! La! I can’t hear you!

By: Diana Peterfreund

Diana Peterfreund — Thu, 10 Sep 2009 22:59:30 +0000

In addition to many of the excellent novels here, I’d like to add:

FEED by MT Anderson (futuristic SF)
SPEAK by Laurie Halse Anderson (contemporary drama)
PEEPS by Scott Westerfeld (contemporary fantasy, and because Uglies is also futuristic)
KETURAH AND LORD DEATH, by the-name’s-escaping-me-darn-cold-medicine (a national book award finalist historical)

By: Jodie

Jodie — Thu, 10 Sep 2009 15:55:55 +0000

Ok I’ll give it a stab:

Ten Cents a Dance (for historical fans)
Nation (for fantasy fans and people who already love Pratchett and boys who like to see boys in books)
Empress of the World (lesbian contemporary romance)
The Juliet Club (chick-lit)
Little Brother (thriller/sci-fi, technology stuff)
Dooley Takes the Fall (crime) (although I hesitate here because the ending is a bit confused, but I haven’t read much YA crime. People like crime books and it would probably get lots of people interested and the main character is really interesting).

By: mb

mb — Thu, 10 Sep 2009 12:44:38 +0000

Have to mention:
KING OF ATTOLIA, Megan Whalen Turner
THE WHITE DARKNESS, Geraldine McCAUGHREAN
A TRUE AND FAITHFUL NARRATIVE, Katherine Sturtevant

And I am right behind ABSOLUTELY TRUE DIARY, MARCELO IN THE REAL WORLD, and BUCKING THE SARGE. The last in particular.

By: Alex

Alex — Thu, 10 Sep 2009 12:06:16 +0000

I’d like to offer I AM NOT A SERIAL KILLER by Dan Wells into the crime genre, but I’m only half-way through it and whilst excellent so far I can’t promise it holds up to the end.

However.

GALAX-ARENA or SPACE DEMONS by Gillian Rubinstein (who I only JUST found out wrote Tales of the Otori – how did I not know that?!?) Both of those would I guess fall in the sci-fi/speculative fiction genre.

By: lily

lily — Thu, 10 Sep 2009 11:19:38 +0000

I think these are great books full-stop – they happen to be great YA books too:
KEEPER Mal Peet (a magic realist book about football!)
JOURNEY TO THE RIVER SEA Iva Ibbotson (historical)
BOG CHILD Siobhan Dowd (contemporary realist)
THE GHOST’S CHILD Sonya Hartnett (er… fable? Unclassifiable)
THIS IS ALL Aidan Chambers (um.. realist? Also pretty much unclassifiable)
ABSOLUTELY TRUE DIARY… Sherman Alexie (memoir)

By: Karen Bass

Karen Bass — Thu, 10 Sep 2009 05:24:24 +0000

If a mystery still needs to be nominated I’d say Dooley Takes the Fall by Norah McClintock (it’s Canadian but available in the U.S. and a very gritty, very good read).

Other titles I’d toss into the mix:
Bones of Faerie by Janni Lee Simner
The Book Thief by MZ (already named but it’s a fave)
Chains by Laurie Halse Anderson
The Story of a Girl by Sara Zarr

The list could go on and on …

By: Doret

Doret — Thu, 10 Sep 2009 03:39:01 +0000

Marcelo in the Real World by Francisco X. Stork
Tales from Outer Suburbia by Shaun Tan
I am the Messenger by Markus Zusak
Jellicoe Road by Melina Marchetta
Sunrise Over Fallujah by Walter Dean Myers
M+O 4ever Tony Hegamin
Jumped by Rita Williams Garcia
Down to the Bone by Mayra Lazara Dole

And since its a basketball book that started all this, I’ll end on the court with

Necessary Hunger by Nina Revoyr

The reviewer doesn’t know YA lit or basketball
“a new collaboration between LeBron James, probably the greatest basketball player alive”

Has he not heard of Bill Russell or Micheal Jordan. Bill Russell has 11 championship rings For a moment I will be kind and assume he meant to say greatest basketball player now playing. Still its wrong. James is ringless. The greatest find a way to win no matter who is on their team.

“I swear, do I have to go sistergirls on these fools”

Susan, that’s s classic. I may have to steal it.

By: Melissa

Melissa — Thu, 10 Sep 2009 02:21:27 +0000

Thanks for posting this! I’m from Cleveland so this book has been all over the news lately here. I heard an interview on the radio this morning from the author, and honestly, I want to read this too! I can’t believe that reviewer. Bissinger is a well-respected author that deserves a respectful review. He had a lot of great things to say about the book and his experiences with Lebron James working on it. He said Lebron wanted to make sure to portray the good and the bad about his high school years, which I think is great, especially considering he is such a high profile person. Us Clevelanders have a lot of respect for Lebron here – I would never expect him to be the next super awesome amazing novelist (who knows?) but I’m glad you’ll be giving his book a chance, as will I!

By: Christopher Barzak

Christopher Barzak — Thu, 10 Sep 2009 00:17:30 +0000

YA has always been looked down upon by the literati, just as scifi and fantasy has, historically, been ostracized as lesser works of literature by virtue of their category. I’m not surprised. I don’t think it’s going to change much anytime soon, either, same as it hasn’t changed much over the years for scifi and fantasy. There are always those who are made exceptions to the rule, but the rule remains. It’s a depressing condition, really.

You’re right. Stand By Me (or its original title, The Body) is not a YA novel. It’s a coming of age novella. I think there is a lot of commonalities between coming of age stories and YA novels, but I think there’s also a slight difference: YA novels are geared more toward an age specific bracket, whereas coming of age novels seem to be geared toward a broader age bracket, from teens to adults who like to read, with an adult’s perspective, about childhood and adolescence. The narrator, for example, of The Body, is telling the story from a much later time in his life, so his perceptions that are offered throughout are an adult’s perceptions of his own adolescence. I think this may be one of the distinctions between YA and coming of age narratives. Though there may be exceptions to this, I think it’s probably a general distinction, for the most part, despite some YA novels being marketed as adult and some coming of age novels being marketed as YA.

I’m with Wordsworth. “Our meddling intellect Mis-shapes the beauteous forms of things.”

By: Clix

Clix — Wed, 09 Sep 2009 23:20:48 +0000

A number of those I'd list are already here. So I'm just adding a few: Unwind, Neal Shusterman. [Scifi] Models Don't Eat Chocolate Cookies, Erin Dionne. [Contemp] Schooled, Gordon Korman. [Contemp] Beauty, Robin McKinley. [Fant] Epic, Conor Kostick. [Scifi] Coraline, Neil Gaiman. [Dark Fantasy] Bloody Jack, L.A. Meyer. [Hist/Adv] Dragon's Bait, Vivan Vande Velde. [Fant] The Squire, His Knight, and His Lady, Gerald Morris. [Hist/Fant] Jeremy Thatcher, Dragon Hatcher, Bruce Coville. [Fant] The Name of the Wind, Patrick Rothfuss. <-- Is this YA? It's amazing, anyhow!

By: Cristina

Cristina — Wed, 09 Sep 2009 22:53:42 +0000

It’s HARD to decide! It’s like you’re asking me to choose between sleeping and eating.
The Disreputable History of Frankie Landau Banks –E. Lockhart [Contemporary Realism]
The Bermudez Triangle –Maureen Johnson
The Hunger Games –Suzanne Collins [Science Fiction]
The Astonishing Life of Octavian Nothing –MT Anderson [Historical]
The Book Thief –Markus Zusak [Historical]
Graceling –Kristin Cashore [Fantasy]
Sabriel –Garth Nix [Fantasy]

By: Ali

Ali — Wed, 09 Sep 2009 22:00:47 +0000

1) The Perks of Being a Wallflower by Steven Chbosky (if that’s not technically YA, then 1)(b) is Paper Towns by John Green)

2) A Great and Terrible Beauty by Libba Bray – great historical fantasy, witty, and also fantabulous in this kind of way http://sarahtales.livejournal.com/151335.html

3) Blood Red Snow White by Marcus Sedgwick – because it’s creative and beautiful and gripping and, actually, educational at the same time

4) Northern Lights by Philip Pullman – I would argue that this isn’t the same genre as AGATB because (in my experience) it’s target audience is mostly different, and also because it’s not historical (being, y’know, set in a different world and all…)

5) Pirates! by Celia Rees – historical fiction minus the magic, with strong female characters and accounts of slavery that actually make you uncomfortable

6) Uglies by Scott Westerfeld – Justine, I know he’s your husband and this seems like shameless sucking up, but I really think these are some of the most inventive and fascinating YA books I’ve ever read. Besides, this list needs some sci-fi

I apologise if I am clutching at straws trying to say that these are 6 different genres!

By: Susan

Susan — Wed, 09 Sep 2009 20:57:43 +0000

This is the second review brought to my attention where the critic really reveals more about his ignorance than the shortcomings of the reviewed work. Honestly, I really think someone needs to tell these paid professionals to do their homework, to educate themselves about the subject matter beforehand so they can avoid making an ass of themselves.

I swear, do I have to go sistergirls on these fools who repeatedly want to comment on a genre they clearly know nothing about. ((imagine Susan doing the full head roll and “No he didn’t?!”

A few books they should read:

The Rock And The River by Kekla Magoon (historical)
A Wish After Midnight by Zetta Elliott (historical/speculative?)
Shine, Coconut Moon by Neesha Meminger (realistic fiction)
Shadow Speaker by Nnedi Okorafor-mbachu

By: eric luper

eric luper — Wed, 09 Sep 2009 20:22:05 +0000

Since I suggested it, I need to offer up my list:

The Book Thief by Marcus Zusak
Absolutely True Diary… by Sherman Alexie
Adoration of Jenna Fox by Mary Pearson
Speak by Laurie Halse Anderson
Tyrell by Coe Booth
Godless by Pete Hautman

By: Delux

Delux — Wed, 09 Sep 2009 20:05:16 +0000

At this point, is there anything those people at the NYT book review don't need to be schooled about? Why, I'm not still enraged about Dances with Pretendians aka Margaret Jones Diaries. Nope, not at all...

By: Linda

Linda — Wed, 09 Sep 2009 19:24:10 +0000

A Great and Terrible Beauty by Libba Bray. Best termed Historical Fantasy, but it really is a wonderful study of girls and their role in society.

By: Melissa

Melissa — Wed, 09 Sep 2009 19:10:55 +0000

A NORTHERN LIGHT by Jennifer Donnelly (although I also LOVED FLYGIRL) (historical fiction)
A BRIEF CHAPTER IN MY IMPOSSIBLE LIFE by Dana Reinhardt or MONSTER by Walter Dean Myers or STAYING FAT FOR SARAH BYRNES by Chris Crutcher (realistic fiction)
THE WARRIOR HEIR by Cinda Williams Chima (fantasy)
RASH by Pete Hautman (uh…scifi? dystopian fiction?)
13 LITTLE BLUE ENVELOPES by Maureen Johnson or AUDREY, WAIT! by Robin Benway or ELSEWHERE by Gabrielle Zevin, although the last sort of pushes it (chicklit)

By: Keren David

Keren David — Wed, 09 Sep 2009 18:31:05 +0000

First, thank you so much for the Maureen Dowd link. Honestly, I thought it was a spoof. The idea of the two of them sneering around a bookshop, picking up chicklit as though they’d never seen it before – ‘My dear!’ ‘How ghastly!’. Very funny.

Yes, these silly ignorant people should be forced to read YA books. My pick:Jonathan Stroud Bartamaeous trilogy. Patrick Ness, The Knife of Never Letting Go and The Ask and the Answer. Gillian Philip Crossing the Line. Cory Doctorow Little Brother. Suzanne Collins The Hunger Games. Tabitha Suzuma From Where I Stand