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	<title>Comments on: Why My Protags Aren&#8217;t White</title>
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		<title>By: The Book Smugglers &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Cover Matters: On Whitewashing</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Book Smugglers &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Cover Matters: On Whitewashing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Feb 2010 07:03:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] characters that represent the real world! Justine Larbalestier has written a great article about why her protagonists aren&#8217;t white, that we encourage everyone to [...]</description>
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		<title>By: How Diverse Is My Bookshelf? &#171; Irene&#39;s Daughters</title>
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		<dc:creator>How Diverse Is My Bookshelf? &#171; Irene&#39;s Daughters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 10:02:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Justine Larbalestier, a white Australian author who writes young adult novels in which most of the protagonists are people of color, has been told by editors, sales reps, and booksellers that “black covers don’t sell.” (You [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Justine Larbalestier, a white Australian author who writes young adult novels in which most of the protagonists are people of color, has been told by editors, sales reps, and booksellers that “black covers don’t sell.” (You [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Are Publishers Too White to Survive? Who Cares! &#124; Guy LeCharles Gonzalez</title>
		<link>http://justinelarbalestier.com/blog/2009/07/22/why-my-protags-arent-white/comment-page-2/#comment-84103</link>
		<dc:creator>Are Publishers Too White to Survive? Who Cares! &#124; Guy LeCharles Gonzalez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 13:02:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] to ignore. A white woman from Sydney, Australia, Larbalestier once answered the question asking why her protagonists weren&#8217;t white by noting: &#8220;Because no white teen has ever complained about their lack of representation in [...]</description>
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		<title>By: From Margin to Center: Writing Characters of Color at Racialicious - the intersection of race and pop culture</title>
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		<dc:creator>From Margin to Center: Writing Characters of Color at Racialicious - the intersection of race and pop culture</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 17:11:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] essay was originally meant to be a short comment in response to Justine’s post on why her protags aren’t white. In one of the comments, someone brought up the old argument: if white people can only write white [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Genrewonk &#187; The Top 5 Lazy-ass SF Clichés</title>
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		<dc:creator>Genrewonk &#187; The Top 5 Lazy-ass SF Clichés</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 13:07:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] (Inspired by some blog posts elsewhere) [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Justine</title>
		<link>http://justinelarbalestier.com/blog/2009/07/22/why-my-protags-arent-white/comment-page-2/#comment-83239</link>
		<dc:creator>Justine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Aug 2009 20:41:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Celsie: There&#039;s no law that says you have to write African or Indian characters. I think it&#039;s great that you&#039;re already writing characters with a range of different backgrounds. Believability is always most important when you&#039;re writing. If you&#039;ve not met anyone who&#039;s Turkish, say, and you want to write a Turkish character that&#039;s going to be a lot harder without any personal experience or never having been to the country. What makes characters sing is their specificities: like what bit of Turkey are they from? Are they a Kurd? What langagues do they speak? Etc etc. If you start with very little knowledge then it&#039;s hard to know what it is you don&#039;t know and thus much easier to get it wrong. If you&#039;re writing about people you know well and see all the time then you get to ask them as part of your extenisve research.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Celsie: There&#8217;s no law that says you have to write African or Indian characters. I think it&#8217;s great that you&#8217;re already writing characters with a range of different backgrounds. Believability is always most important when you&#8217;re writing. If you&#8217;ve not met anyone who&#8217;s Turkish, say, and you want to write a Turkish character that&#8217;s going to be a lot harder without any personal experience or never having been to the country. What makes characters sing is their specificities: like what bit of Turkey are they from? Are they a Kurd? What langagues do they speak? Etc etc. If you start with very little knowledge then it&#8217;s hard to know what it is you don&#8217;t know and thus much easier to get it wrong. If you&#8217;re writing about people you know well and see all the time then you get to ask them as part of your extenisve research.</p>
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		<title>By: Celsie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Celsie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Aug 2009 02:31:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a white girl, my biggest issue with writing African/Indian protags is coming across as believable.  My friends were all Asian(Vietnamese/Chinese/Korean), and I&#039;m a little more comfortable writing from that.

I need to get over my hesitation, and find a way to write believably, or just stop feeling self conscious that I&#039;m not writing it right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a white girl, my biggest issue with writing African/Indian protags is coming across as believable.  My friends were all Asian(Vietnamese/Chinese/Korean), and I&#8217;m a little more comfortable writing from that.</p>
<p>I need to get over my hesitation, and find a way to write believably, or just stop feeling self conscious that I&#8217;m not writing it right.</p>
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		<title>By: Jessica</title>
		<link>http://justinelarbalestier.com/blog/2009/07/22/why-my-protags-arent-white/comment-page-2/#comment-83144</link>
		<dc:creator>Jessica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 23:11:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;There are people who hold that whites should not write about non-whites because they invariably get it wrong, because of cultural appropriation&quot;
 
I wrote an essay just last semester questioning this very thing,&#039;ethnic&#039; voice appropriation (based Ourika by Claire De Duras, some essays by Diderot, Pauline Johnson). As a black girl, my knee-jerk reaction was to decry it, because  
obviously *the white people will never understand!*

But as I worked on it, and let me tell you I&#039;ve never worked on an essay so hard in my life, I came to the conclusion that though there are many pitfalls to doing this (getting it wrong, stereotyping, more credit etc.), it has the potential help us break those socially constructed barriers between ethnicities. To &#039;take on&#039; a minority voice has to make a writer/reader consider what really makes us that different and more importantly what makes us the same, which I think proves that ones skin colour is just that, the colour of your skin.  

So all in all, you seem like a really cool lady and I can&#039;t wait to read your books.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;There are people who hold that whites should not write about non-whites because they invariably get it wrong, because of cultural appropriation&#8221;</p>
<p>I wrote an essay just last semester questioning this very thing,&#8217;ethnic&#8217; voice appropriation (based Ourika by Claire De Duras, some essays by Diderot, Pauline Johnson). As a black girl, my knee-jerk reaction was to decry it, because<br />
obviously *the white people will never understand!*</p>
<p>But as I worked on it, and let me tell you I&#8217;ve never worked on an essay so hard in my life, I came to the conclusion that though there are many pitfalls to doing this (getting it wrong, stereotyping, more credit etc.), it has the potential help us break those socially constructed barriers between ethnicities. To &#8216;take on&#8217; a minority voice has to make a writer/reader consider what really makes us that different and more importantly what makes us the same, which I think proves that ones skin colour is just that, the colour of your skin.  </p>
<p>So all in all, you seem like a really cool lady and I can&#8217;t wait to read your books.</p>
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		<title>By: Web Round-Up &#124; Sci Fi SoundTrack</title>
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		<dc:creator>Web Round-Up &#124; Sci Fi SoundTrack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 23:00:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] response to Justine Larbalestier&#039;s post about why her protagonists aren’t white, Neesha Meminger guest-blogs on power dynamics and writing characters of [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Josh W</title>
		<link>http://justinelarbalestier.com/blog/2009/07/22/why-my-protags-arent-white/comment-page-2/#comment-83115</link>
		<dc:creator>Josh W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 10:21:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This makes me feel young! Of course people can write characters of other races, of course they can. Because now more than ever, we have so much in common across all kinds of &quot;boundaries&quot;, and skin colour is less relevent than place of birth, religion, parent&#039;s background, school freinds and who knows what else. So keep going for it, and don&#039;t ever restrict yourself by those people&#039;s daft limits!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This makes me feel young! Of course people can write characters of other races, of course they can. Because now more than ever, we have so much in common across all kinds of &#8220;boundaries&#8221;, and skin colour is less relevent than place of birth, religion, parent&#8217;s background, school freinds and who knows what else. So keep going for it, and don&#8217;t ever restrict yourself by those people&#8217;s daft limits!</p>
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		<title>By: In which the latest instance of whitewashing book covers produces pondering. &#124; The Angry Black Woman</title>
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		<dc:creator>In which the latest instance of whitewashing book covers produces pondering. &#124; The Angry Black Woman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Aug 2009 13:13:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] life in many and diverse ways, right? Plenty of those books to choose from&#8230;Apparently not. You see, she writes books featuring POC. Which her publishers proceed to represent on their covers as&#8230;well [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] life in many and diverse ways, right? Plenty of those books to choose from&#8230;Apparently not. You see, she writes books featuring POC. Which her publishers proceed to represent on their covers as&#8230;well [...]</p>
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		<title>By: JT Banks</title>
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		<dc:creator>JT Banks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Aug 2009 07:39:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My first juvenile novel was rejected many times before it was accepted by a major house. The complaint I hear (via telephone) was that the main character was too smart and unbelievable. Editors weren&#039;t willing to put that in writing. My main character was a black twelve year old girl in the Gifted program. When I wrote it, my daughter was a 12 black girl in the gifted program. I remember having trouble with a scene and calling my daughter in and asking her to make the telephone call I was trying to describe. I recorded it for the book verbatim!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My first juvenile novel was rejected many times before it was accepted by a major house. The complaint I hear (via telephone) was that the main character was too smart and unbelievable. Editors weren&#8217;t willing to put that in writing. My main character was a black twelve year old girl in the Gifted program. When I wrote it, my daughter was a 12 black girl in the gifted program. I remember having trouble with a scene and calling my daughter in and asking her to make the telephone call I was trying to describe. I recorded it for the book verbatim!</p>
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		<title>By: Justine</title>
		<link>http://justinelarbalestier.com/blog/2009/07/22/why-my-protags-arent-white/comment-page-2/#comment-82933</link>
		<dc:creator>Justine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 04:02:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Neesha: Thank you for this. Exactly. It is very strange to be in the position of successfully (though I&#039;m not sure how widely) drawing attention to issues that have been around forever and talked about forever but so often ignored. If I weren&#039;t white I do wonder if the furore around Liar would have been as big as it was. I really hope the conversation keeps going now that the cover has been changed. That was just a tiny skirmish won. As you know, there is so much more work to be done.

I will admit that I was upset that people read &lt;a href=&quot;http://justinelarbalestier.com/blog/2009/04/10/the-usian-cover-of-liar/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this post&lt;/a&gt; as my loving the cover. I worked very hard on the wording precisely to avoid any indication that I actually liked the cover but also to avoid dissing my publisher. The enthusiasm expressed was for making the front of the catalogue---a first in my career (and a very bitter sweet one given the cover). The analysis of that post &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.courtneymilan.com/ramblings/2009/07/26/read-between-the-lines/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here by Courtney Milan&lt;/a&gt; (who I don&#039;t know) is spot on. (I also had my sly fun &lt;a href=&quot;http://justinelarbalestier.com/blog/2009/04/14/cover-theft-you-decide/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;mocking the cover&lt;/a&gt;.)

But, really, big deal, I&#039;m a writer, I get misread all the time, goes with the territory and unlike many I have multiple venues from which to be heard. I am far more concerned about our readers, the teenagers of all colours, who don&#039;t deserve a world where every publisher has their token Asian or African or whatever writer amongst a sea of many, many white writers. The idea that people who aren&#039;t white have just the one story while the white folk have many is nonsensical, stupid and racist.

(I also have issues with brevity. As in, I&#039;m not.) 

Kyi: Thank you. Your comment made me a bit teary. And, yes, it&#039;s absurd this notion that all African-American girls are the same with one united point of view. We have to challenge it every single time it&#039;s said. Good on you!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neesha: Thank you for this. Exactly. It is very strange to be in the position of successfully (though I&#8217;m not sure how widely) drawing attention to issues that have been around forever and talked about forever but so often ignored. If I weren&#8217;t white I do wonder if the furore around Liar would have been as big as it was. I really hope the conversation keeps going now that the cover has been changed. That was just a tiny skirmish won. As you know, there is so much more work to be done.</p>
<p>I will admit that I was upset that people read <a href="http://justinelarbalestier.com/blog/2009/04/10/the-usian-cover-of-liar/" rel="nofollow">this post</a> as my loving the cover. I worked very hard on the wording precisely to avoid any indication that I actually liked the cover but also to avoid dissing my publisher. The enthusiasm expressed was for making the front of the catalogue&#8212;a first in my career (and a very bitter sweet one given the cover). The analysis of that post <a href="http://www.courtneymilan.com/ramblings/2009/07/26/read-between-the-lines/" rel="nofollow">here by Courtney Milan</a> (who I don&#8217;t know) is spot on. (I also had my sly fun <a href="http://justinelarbalestier.com/blog/2009/04/14/cover-theft-you-decide/" rel="nofollow">mocking the cover</a>.)</p>
<p>But, really, big deal, I&#8217;m a writer, I get misread all the time, goes with the territory and unlike many I have multiple venues from which to be heard. I am far more concerned about our readers, the teenagers of all colours, who don&#8217;t deserve a world where every publisher has their token Asian or African or whatever writer amongst a sea of many, many white writers. The idea that people who aren&#8217;t white have just the one story while the white folk have many is nonsensical, stupid and racist.</p>
<p>(I also have issues with brevity. As in, I&#8217;m not.) </p>
<p>Kyi: Thank you. Your comment made me a bit teary. And, yes, it&#8217;s absurd this notion that all African-American girls are the same with one united point of view. We have to challenge it every single time it&#8217;s said. Good on you!</p>
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		<title>By: Kyi</title>
		<link>http://justinelarbalestier.com/blog/2009/07/22/why-my-protags-arent-white/comment-page-2/#comment-82930</link>
		<dc:creator>Kyi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 03:49:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Justine, you are truly a breath of fresh air. I remember meeting you and Scott back around &#039;04 or &#039;05 (826NYC Writer&#039;s Colony?) and both of you were so very honest and upfront about ethnicity in YA literature. I can&#039;t begin to to rehash how some of the publishers would approach me and very awkwardly try to explain how they would like me(as an African American girl ) to essentially speak on behalf of all black readers for the sake of appeasing demographic datamongers. But you spoke to us as readers- just people who love to read and want to write the stories and characters that were real to them and to many others- not potential buyers, not instant quotes that you can splash on your site just to say &quot;Hey! Black kids read- AND they read my books!&quot; I can never thank you enough for that.

Also, I do believe it was you who recommended that I read Motherless Brooklyn, by Johnathan Lethem...? Either way, hands down one of my favorites.

All the best!
&lt;/3</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Justine, you are truly a breath of fresh air. I remember meeting you and Scott back around &#8216;04 or &#8216;05 (826NYC Writer&#8217;s Colony?) and both of you were so very honest and upfront about ethnicity in YA literature. I can&#8217;t begin to to rehash how some of the publishers would approach me and very awkwardly try to explain how they would like me(as an African American girl ) to essentially speak on behalf of all black readers for the sake of appeasing demographic datamongers. But you spoke to us as readers- just people who love to read and want to write the stories and characters that were real to them and to many others- not potential buyers, not instant quotes that you can splash on your site just to say &#8220;Hey! Black kids read- AND they read my books!&#8221; I can never thank you enough for that.</p>
<p>Also, I do believe it was you who recommended that I read Motherless Brooklyn, by Johnathan Lethem&#8230;? Either way, hands down one of my favorites.</p>
<p>All the best!<br />
&lt;/3</p>
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		<title>By: Neesha Meminger</title>
		<link>http://justinelarbalestier.com/blog/2009/07/22/why-my-protags-arent-white/comment-page-2/#comment-82926</link>
		<dc:creator>Neesha Meminger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 03:27:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Speaking as an author who was rejected by editors and agents because they already had their &quot;Asian&quot; author/book, I&#039;m happy to see white authors taking up this issue. (Sorry, I&#039;m behind on your posts and am only reading this now--after the whole LIAR frukkus).

When I first read the reports on the LIAR cover, I thought you originally were happy about the cover, then changed your mind. In fact, I think many people thought this. But I&#039;ve been mulling the quotes over in my mind and reading other people&#039;s anaylises (is that the plural for analysis?) and realize you never actually came out and said, &quot;I love this cover.&quot; And I can completely understand the reasons an author wouldn&#039;t come out and say such a thing.

I was so relieved and heartened to know that you were never, in fact, excited about the original cover. A tough thing, this--trying to figure out what is true, who to believe, and who to trust, no? Particularly if you happen to be a PoC, a woman, LGBTQ, or anyone else whose reality is smudged out of existence on a daily basis.

Anyway, it&#039;s often easier for white authors to write PoC characters, particularly when the author has a proven sales record. And, as you write above, when white writers write PoC characters -- just as when men write the &quot;autobiographies&quot; of women -- there is much applause, back-patting and congratulation. Much harder for PoC to break into publishing with stories about their own people, histories, and backgrounds.

This would be such an easier battle if we could see, clearly, the links between oppressions: gender, sexuality, race, class, etc. It all boils down to the same thing and, ultimately, it all works in the same way to the same end.

I appreciate that you are making the connections. You are a sister in the struggle in the way that Ursula LeGuin, Marge Piercy, and Marion Zimmer Bradley are/were---all wrote books with characters of color, the working class, and LGBTQ folk in the spirit of alliance and justice. 

There will always be differences within the ranks and privileges to negotiate. But as long as there is openness and willingness, there is hope. I look forward to more books from you and reading lots more of your opinions :).

(Sorry for the long post. Seems I am unable to write anything less than 200 pages.)

Neesha</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Speaking as an author who was rejected by editors and agents because they already had their &#8220;Asian&#8221; author/book, I&#8217;m happy to see white authors taking up this issue. (Sorry, I&#8217;m behind on your posts and am only reading this now&#8211;after the whole LIAR frukkus).</p>
<p>When I first read the reports on the LIAR cover, I thought you originally were happy about the cover, then changed your mind. In fact, I think many people thought this. But I&#8217;ve been mulling the quotes over in my mind and reading other people&#8217;s anaylises (is that the plural for analysis?) and realize you never actually came out and said, &#8220;I love this cover.&#8221; And I can completely understand the reasons an author wouldn&#8217;t come out and say such a thing.</p>
<p>I was so relieved and heartened to know that you were never, in fact, excited about the original cover. A tough thing, this&#8211;trying to figure out what is true, who to believe, and who to trust, no? Particularly if you happen to be a PoC, a woman, LGBTQ, or anyone else whose reality is smudged out of existence on a daily basis.</p>
<p>Anyway, it&#8217;s often easier for white authors to write PoC characters, particularly when the author has a proven sales record. And, as you write above, when white writers write PoC characters &#8212; just as when men write the &#8220;autobiographies&#8221; of women &#8212; there is much applause, back-patting and congratulation. Much harder for PoC to break into publishing with stories about their own people, histories, and backgrounds.</p>
<p>This would be such an easier battle if we could see, clearly, the links between oppressions: gender, sexuality, race, class, etc. It all boils down to the same thing and, ultimately, it all works in the same way to the same end.</p>
<p>I appreciate that you are making the connections. You are a sister in the struggle in the way that Ursula LeGuin, Marge Piercy, and Marion Zimmer Bradley are/were&#8212;all wrote books with characters of color, the working class, and LGBTQ folk in the spirit of alliance and justice. </p>
<p>There will always be differences within the ranks and privileges to negotiate. But as long as there is openness and willingness, there is hope. I look forward to more books from you and reading lots more of your opinions <img src='http://justinelarbalestier.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> .</p>
<p>(Sorry for the long post. Seems I am unable to write anything less than 200 pages.)</p>
<p>Neesha</p>
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		<title>By: Dara</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 18:52:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;White is not just one flavour.&quot;

I&#039;m glad you&#039;ve said that :) Sometimes people tend to think &quot;white&quot; is all one culture, when it isn&#039;t. Same thing goes for &quot;black&quot; or any other ethinicity.

Anyway, I&#039;m also a white writer who tends to write about ethnicities other than my own (currently writing two books, one with an Japanese protag and another that&#039;s half Japanese and half American in a time when being mixed wasn&#039;t accepted)  I write whatever characters speak to me, no matter what race. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;White is not just one flavour.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m glad you&#8217;ve said that <img src='http://justinelarbalestier.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  Sometimes people tend to think &#8220;white&#8221; is all one culture, when it isn&#8217;t. Same thing goes for &#8220;black&#8221; or any other ethinicity.</p>
<p>Anyway, I&#8217;m also a white writer who tends to write about ethnicities other than my own (currently writing two books, one with an Japanese protag and another that&#8217;s half Japanese and half American in a time when being mixed wasn&#8217;t accepted)  I write whatever characters speak to me, no matter what race. <img src='http://justinelarbalestier.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Miriam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Miriam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jul 2009 23:33:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I once read a novel (possible Glyph by Percival Everett) where the author deliberately didn&#039;t mention race until about halfway though the story, at which point the young narrator very directly states that he is black and says something along the lines of, &quot;oh, were you assuming that because my parents are professors they were white?&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I once read a novel (possible Glyph by Percival Everett) where the author deliberately didn&#8217;t mention race until about halfway though the story, at which point the young narrator very directly states that he is black and says something along the lines of, &#8220;oh, were you assuming that because my parents are professors they were white?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Christine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jul 2009 16:35:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Miriam,

I think you are right. I once had a few chapters of a WIP reviewed by an editor at  I liked a lot.  But I was taken that she made the following observations when critiquing my work:

1. she didn&#039;t know the protagonist was black until late in the chapter.
(I replied - that she is black is not the main thrust of the book)

Isn&#039;t it sad that on a first read the assumption of many people is that the character is white unless we state - overtly - that they are not?  

You would be surprised how many of my writing peers who are white get push back from their editors about their black characters because if they don&#039;t fit a certain &quot;mode&quot; they don&#039;t sound authentic.

So I once asked an editor at another house (who said she was looking for an authentic voice) how she would recognize an &quot;authentic voice&quot; and she replied &quot;it must sound authentic to me!&quot;

Hence why all publishers need a little &quot;color&quot; on their staffs or at least editors who have some clue about the breadth of &quot;voices&quot; in ethnic communities extends beyond poverty, civil rights angst, and inner city settings (editors with first-hand experience, please, not experience gleaned from MTV, BET and PBS documentaries).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Miriam,</p>
<p>I think you are right. I once had a few chapters of a WIP reviewed by an editor at  I liked a lot.  But I was taken that she made the following observations when critiquing my work:</p>
<p>1. she didn&#8217;t know the protagonist was black until late in the chapter.<br />
(I replied &#8211; that she is black is not the main thrust of the book)</p>
<p>Isn&#8217;t it sad that on a first read the assumption of many people is that the character is white unless we state &#8211; overtly &#8211; that they are not?  </p>
<p>You would be surprised how many of my writing peers who are white get push back from their editors about their black characters because if they don&#8217;t fit a certain &#8220;mode&#8221; they don&#8217;t sound authentic.</p>
<p>So I once asked an editor at another house (who said she was looking for an authentic voice) how she would recognize an &#8220;authentic voice&#8221; and she replied &#8220;it must sound authentic to me!&#8221;</p>
<p>Hence why all publishers need a little &#8220;color&#8221; on their staffs or at least editors who have some clue about the breadth of &#8220;voices&#8221; in ethnic communities extends beyond poverty, civil rights angst, and inner city settings (editors with first-hand experience, please, not experience gleaned from MTV, BET and PBS documentaries).</p>
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		<title>By: Miriam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Miriam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jul 2009 15:44:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>About Jamie&#039;s point that the vast majority of protagonists are white -- are they? Or do we as readers just assume they are white of the author doesn&#039;t mention another race? We are conditioned to think of white as &quot;normal&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>About Jamie&#8217;s point that the vast majority of protagonists are white &#8212; are they? Or do we as readers just assume they are white of the author doesn&#8217;t mention another race? We are conditioned to think of white as &#8220;normal&#8221;.</p>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jul 2009 09:11:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Justine,

I think this is a wonderful post and I appreciate you articulating your thinking about race and YA literature in this way, because I think it&#039;s something that people would otherwise not think about.

What I always wonder regarding these issues of race is how you might persuade someone else in your profession to think in this way. You are clearly a thoughtful, reflective individual who is willing to take the feedback of your YA readers seriously...but how do we get to not only listen but exhibit the type of curiosity needed to continually push yourself to examine a perspective different from your own...especially when it seems like there is little support from the industry to think about these things? 

I admire the writing insight you provide on your blog and look forward to seeing if something positive comes of this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Justine,</p>
<p>I think this is a wonderful post and I appreciate you articulating your thinking about race and YA literature in this way, because I think it&#8217;s something that people would otherwise not think about.</p>
<p>What I always wonder regarding these issues of race is how you might persuade someone else in your profession to think in this way. You are clearly a thoughtful, reflective individual who is willing to take the feedback of your YA readers seriously&#8230;but how do we get to not only listen but exhibit the type of curiosity needed to continually push yourself to examine a perspective different from your own&#8230;especially when it seems like there is little support from the industry to think about these things? </p>
<p>I admire the writing insight you provide on your blog and look forward to seeing if something positive comes of this.</p>
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		<dc:creator>scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jul 2009 18:45:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jamie at 39 says:

&lt;i&gt;Ahh.. I see how some people are offended by this. Really I do. But . . . why not just say she i a different characte or a random person.&lt;/i&gt;

But if publishers give books about black people &quot;white&quot; covers, and never the other way around, it&#039;s not random, is it? This is not about random errors, it&#039;s about partially erasing an entire group of people from our little slice of culture (books).

&lt;i&gt;And on to the white covers sell better… well yea probaly true. . . . But well its the facts&lt;/i&gt;

So it&#039;s okay to erase a group of people as long as you&#039;re making good money off it?</description>
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<p><i>Ahh.. I see how some people are offended by this. Really I do. But . . . why not just say she i a different characte or a random person.</i></p>
<p>But if publishers give books about black people &#8220;white&#8221; covers, and never the other way around, it&#8217;s not random, is it? This is not about random errors, it&#8217;s about partially erasing an entire group of people from our little slice of culture (books).</p>
<p><i>And on to the white covers sell better… well yea probaly true. . . . But well its the facts</i></p>
<p>So it&#8217;s okay to erase a group of people as long as you&#8217;re making good money off it?</p>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jul 2009 18:25:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ahh.. I see how some people are offended by this. Really I do. 

But, well, a lot of times book covers with people on it aren&#039;t similar to the character. At all. I mean how many times have you read books with a pretty girl on the cover-even though the girl in the book is described as being plain or whatever? Or a girl with completely different something hair color? I guess skin color however gives reason to cry and rant? Either way, image shouldn&#039;t mater. And besides, who said the girl on the cover was even your main charatcer? Why not just say she i a different characte or a random person. Really, don&#039;t make this in to a bigger thing then need be.

 And also did it ever occur to yo that the reason covers are primarly &quot;white&quot; is because charaters are primlary white? You can&#039;t denie that. In YA, I can&#039;t even think of ten books where the main charater was black, and I read a lot. The girl i Shine isn&#039;t even black. I&#039;ve read lots of books with Asians though.

And on to the white covers sell better... well yea probaly true. I&#039;m not saying I do that personaly (cause I don&#039;. I actualy read the two books you mentioneed about.) but well its the facts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ahh.. I see how some people are offended by this. Really I do. </p>
<p>But, well, a lot of times book covers with people on it aren&#8217;t similar to the character. At all. I mean how many times have you read books with a pretty girl on the cover-even though the girl in the book is described as being plain or whatever? Or a girl with completely different something hair color? I guess skin color however gives reason to cry and rant? Either way, image shouldn&#8217;t mater. And besides, who said the girl on the cover was even your main charatcer? Why not just say she i a different characte or a random person. Really, don&#8217;t make this in to a bigger thing then need be.</p>
<p> And also did it ever occur to yo that the reason covers are primarly &#8220;white&#8221; is because charaters are primlary white? You can&#8217;t denie that. In YA, I can&#8217;t even think of ten books where the main charater was black, and I read a lot. The girl i Shine isn&#8217;t even black. I&#8217;ve read lots of books with Asians though.</p>
<p>And on to the white covers sell better&#8230; well yea probaly true. I&#8217;m not saying I do that personaly (cause I don&#8217;. I actualy read the two books you mentioneed about.) but well its the facts.</p>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jul 2009 17:02:15 +0000</pubDate>
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