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	<title>Comments on: JWAM reader request no. 24: Past tense versus present</title>
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		<title>By: Steve Ely</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Ely</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 01:20:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Story syntax aside, I think you raise an interesting idea when you cite Delany&#039;s idea that &quot;the natural present tense in spoken English is not present tense, but present progressive.&quot;   This is true in varying cases, I suppose.  In the case you cite, it seems very much that the present progressive is being used to tell a story that occurs in the past.  I mention this because a pet peeve of mine is the present progressive being used in verbal English in contexts that the present tense actually &lt;i&gt;would&lt;/i&gt; be more natural.  If you want to know about something, why say &quot;I am wanting to know...&quot; instead of just &quot;I want to know...&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Story syntax aside, I think you raise an interesting idea when you cite Delany&#8217;s idea that &#8220;the natural present tense in spoken English is not present tense, but present progressive.&#8221;   This is true in varying cases, I suppose.  In the case you cite, it seems very much that the present progressive is being used to tell a story that occurs in the past.  I mention this because a pet peeve of mine is the present progressive being used in verbal English in contexts that the present tense actually <i>would</i> be more natural.  If you want to know about something, why say &#8220;I am wanting to know&#8230;&#8221; instead of just &#8220;I want to know&#8230;&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: Amber</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Feb 2009 21:17:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey! I&#039;ve enjoyed reading all your posts this month, even though I didn&#039;t ask any question (didn&#039;t know I had half of them anyways!)
My mom doesn&#039;t like first person pov and I don&#039;t understand it. I love it and it&#039;s my favorite!!
Your compulsive liar book sounds really good. I hope to read it sometime!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey! I&#8217;ve enjoyed reading all your posts this month, even though I didn&#8217;t ask any question (didn&#8217;t know I had half of them anyways!)<br />
My mom doesn&#8217;t like first person pov and I don&#8217;t understand it. I love it and it&#8217;s my favorite!!<br />
Your compulsive liar book sounds really good. I hope to read it sometime!</p>
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		<title>By: Glenn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Glenn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Feb 2009 20:26:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you so much for the reply, Justine, it&#039;s really appreciated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you so much for the reply, Justine, it&#8217;s really appreciated.</p>
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		<title>By: Rachel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rachel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jan 2009 02:56:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I tend to assume with past tense that the narrator already knows what&#039;s going to happen; with present tense they don&#039;t. But maybe that&#039;s just me?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I tend to assume with past tense that the narrator already knows what&#8217;s going to happen; with present tense they don&#8217;t. But maybe that&#8217;s just me?</p>
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		<title>By: Diana Peterfreund</title>
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		<dc:creator>Diana Peterfreund</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 16:49:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh dear. This is the nightmare result of that whole &quot;was = passive voice&quot; trainwreck. Passive voice does NOT mean using the word &quot;was,&quot; people! Passive voice ALSO =/= &quot;not active writing.&quot;

I have a headache now. 

Present or past tense. Future if it floats your boat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh dear. This is the nightmare result of that whole &#8220;was = passive voice&#8221; trainwreck. Passive voice does NOT mean using the word &#8220;was,&#8221; people! Passive voice ALSO =/= &#8220;not active writing.&#8221;</p>
<p>I have a headache now. </p>
<p>Present or past tense. Future if it floats your boat.</p>
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		<title>By: Carrie Ryan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carrie Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 16:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love this question.  I also think that there&#039;s the idea that past tense is told through the influence of what has happened after -- it&#039;s not a true reflection of what&#039;s going on in that moment.  Of course, I also kind of think that&#039;s bogus :)  But one reason I liked writing my current series in present tense is that you don&#039;t know how it will end -- there are no guarantees.  Not even the protag has to survive the end in order to tell the story.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love this question.  I also think that there&#8217;s the idea that past tense is told through the influence of what has happened after &#8212; it&#8217;s not a true reflection of what&#8217;s going on in that moment.  Of course, I also kind of think that&#8217;s bogus <img src='http://justinelarbalestier.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />   But one reason I liked writing my current series in present tense is that you don&#8217;t know how it will end &#8212; there are no guarantees.  Not even the protag has to survive the end in order to tell the story.</p>
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		<title>By: Nicholas Waller</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nicholas Waller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 14:16:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One book I thought handled mixed tenses well wasn&#039;t a novel, but anyway - it&#039;s Michael Collins&#039;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.co.uk/Carrying-Fire-Astronauts-Michael-Collins/dp/081541028X&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;Carrying the Fire&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/a&gt;, his personal (non-ghosted) account of the first moon-landing. 

For the parts concerning his past life, his early flying, the training and his previous spaceflight and so on he wrote in the past tense: &quot;As I was spacewalking, unfortunately I dropped my Hasselblad camera, which floated away and was lost&quot;.

For the description of the Apollo II mission as it unfolded, he used the present: &quot;Neil and Buzz go into the Lunar Module and seal the hatch and we prepare for undocking. I don&#039;t know if I&#039;ll ever see them again.&quot; 

It sounds more immediate, as though he is talking into a dictaphone or the radio, and that he doesn&#039;t know at that point if the mission will be successful or even if he will survive. Use of the past tense then would have given more of a sense of someone sitting back at home in his study recalling the events of years before (which in fact, of course, he was).

BTW these aren&#039;t accurate quotes, just paraphrases from memory.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One book I thought handled mixed tenses well wasn&#8217;t a novel, but anyway &#8211; it&#8217;s Michael Collins&#8217;s <a href="http://www.amazon.co.uk/Carrying-Fire-Astronauts-Michael-Collins/dp/081541028X" rel="nofollow"><i>Carrying the Fire</i></a>, his personal (non-ghosted) account of the first moon-landing. </p>
<p>For the parts concerning his past life, his early flying, the training and his previous spaceflight and so on he wrote in the past tense: &#8220;As I was spacewalking, unfortunately I dropped my Hasselblad camera, which floated away and was lost&#8221;.</p>
<p>For the description of the Apollo II mission as it unfolded, he used the present: &#8220;Neil and Buzz go into the Lunar Module and seal the hatch and we prepare for undocking. I don&#8217;t know if I&#8217;ll ever see them again.&#8221; </p>
<p>It sounds more immediate, as though he is talking into a dictaphone or the radio, and that he doesn&#8217;t know at that point if the mission will be successful or even if he will survive. Use of the past tense then would have given more of a sense of someone sitting back at home in his study recalling the events of years before (which in fact, of course, he was).</p>
<p>BTW these aren&#8217;t accurate quotes, just paraphrases from memory.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 12:27:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find a big thing about writing in present tense is about how well it&#039;s done.  A lot of time I&#039;ll read something in present tense and find the tense makes the writing seem really unnatural and a barrier between me and immersing myself fully in the story.  Other times I won&#039;t notice it at all and I&#039;ll love the book.  

I also think that there isn&#039;t necessarily a problem with tense-changes within a story as long as they&#039;re appropriate.  Random tense-shifts can be quite jarring and off-putting.  For example I was reading a book (written in 3rd person subjective) where twice the tense, for no apparent reason, changed from past to present for a couple of pages before going back to past.  Overall it was still an excellent book (one of my favourites), but I found that particular part a little off-putting...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find a big thing about writing in present tense is about how well it&#8217;s done.  A lot of time I&#8217;ll read something in present tense and find the tense makes the writing seem really unnatural and a barrier between me and immersing myself fully in the story.  Other times I won&#8217;t notice it at all and I&#8217;ll love the book.  </p>
<p>I also think that there isn&#8217;t necessarily a problem with tense-changes within a story as long as they&#8217;re appropriate.  Random tense-shifts can be quite jarring and off-putting.  For example I was reading a book (written in 3rd person subjective) where twice the tense, for no apparent reason, changed from past to present for a couple of pages before going back to past.  Overall it was still an excellent book (one of my favourites), but I found that particular part a little off-putting&#8230;</p>
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