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		<title>By: Michelle Madow</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michelle Madow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 17:40:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you, Justine! I&#039;m excited to show my friends what I&#039;ve got of my book so far to read their feedback! :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you, Justine! I&#8217;m excited to show my friends what I&#8217;ve got of my book so far to read their feedback! <img src='http://justinelarbalestier.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Diana Peterfreund</title>
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		<dc:creator>Diana Peterfreund</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jan 2009 01:13:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The place names in my Secret Society stories are all changed. My characters attend an Ivy League university in New Haven Connecticut, and it looks and acts just like Yale, but it&#039;s called Eli. I change all the little names too: It&#039;s not Skull &amp; Bones, it&#039;s Rose &amp; Grave, it&#039;s not Davenport College, it&#039;s Prescott College, etc. No one made me do this, and I don&#039;t know the legal ramifications if I hadn&#039;t  bothered, but to me it felt strange saying &quot;there aren&#039;t girls in Skull &amp; Bones in 2006&quot; (since there are) so I changed the name to Rose &amp; Grave; then it felt strange to say &quot;Rose &amp; Grave is the most notorious society at Yale&quot; since it doesn&#039;t exist, and then once I decided to change the name of the school, it became a game to give everything on campus funny alterna-names. I get fan mail from readers familiar with Yale who say they get a kick out of the way I&#039;ve changed the names. It just helps me think of it in more fictional terms.

However, in my YA coming out next summer, Rampant, it&#039;s set in real Rome, and all the buildings and neighborhoods and ruins and such are real. The only thing that&#039;s changed is the fact that, um, there&#039;s no real unicorn-hunting nunnery there, but the actual building is cobbled together from aspects of real nunnery&#039;s and churches in the same neighborhood. Not many reviews out yet, but one that is praises the setting details of Rome. 

All of which is to say you can go either way. Just depends on what makes you comfortable enough to write the story. With the Yale books, I needed a veneer of fiction to separate it out in my head; it wasn&#039;t as necessary to me with a book that was so clearly fantasy -- with that, I needed grounding in reality.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The place names in my Secret Society stories are all changed. My characters attend an Ivy League university in New Haven Connecticut, and it looks and acts just like Yale, but it&#8217;s called Eli. I change all the little names too: It&#8217;s not Skull &amp; Bones, it&#8217;s Rose &amp; Grave, it&#8217;s not Davenport College, it&#8217;s Prescott College, etc. No one made me do this, and I don&#8217;t know the legal ramifications if I hadn&#8217;t  bothered, but to me it felt strange saying &#8220;there aren&#8217;t girls in Skull &amp; Bones in 2006&#8243; (since there are) so I changed the name to Rose &amp; Grave; then it felt strange to say &#8220;Rose &amp; Grave is the most notorious society at Yale&#8221; since it doesn&#8217;t exist, and then once I decided to change the name of the school, it became a game to give everything on campus funny alterna-names. I get fan mail from readers familiar with Yale who say they get a kick out of the way I&#8217;ve changed the names. It just helps me think of it in more fictional terms.</p>
<p>However, in my YA coming out next summer, Rampant, it&#8217;s set in real Rome, and all the buildings and neighborhoods and ruins and such are real. The only thing that&#8217;s changed is the fact that, um, there&#8217;s no real unicorn-hunting nunnery there, but the actual building is cobbled together from aspects of real nunnery&#8217;s and churches in the same neighborhood. Not many reviews out yet, but one that is praises the setting details of Rome. </p>
<p>All of which is to say you can go either way. Just depends on what makes you comfortable enough to write the story. With the Yale books, I needed a veneer of fiction to separate it out in my head; it wasn&#8217;t as necessary to me with a book that was so clearly fantasy &#8212; with that, I needed grounding in reality.</p>
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		<title>By: Nicholas Waller</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nicholas Waller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jan 2009 15:08:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Copyright is similar in the UK, ie simply writing something original creates your copyright, even letters - posting them to someone does not transfer copyright. So for a high-profile instance &lt;a href=&quot;http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/230311.stm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Princess Diana&#039;s personal letters to James Hewitt &lt;/a&gt;remained the copyright of her/her estate, and Hewitt could not publish them. &quot;&lt;i&gt;If you buy a painting from an artist you buy the canvas, frame and oils but you do not buy the copyright,&quot; he &lt;/i&gt;[an expert] &lt;i&gt;said. &quot;You could argue that when the princess wrote the letters she was giving him the paper and the ink but not the copyright.&lt;/i&gt;&quot;

And as for riffing on, reusing, referring to, building on etc other people&#039;s works, a current case in point is the speech by Mr Lowery you quoted in another post: &quot;when black will not be asked to get in back&quot; was a knowing reference to the 1947 &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.broonzy.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Big Bill Broonzy &lt;/a&gt;song &lt;a href=&quot;http://everything2.com/index.pl?node=Black%2C%20Brown%2C%20and%20White&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;Black, Brown and White&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/a&gt;: &quot;Now, if you was white, you is alright/If you was brown, stick around/But if you is black, oh brother/Get back, get back, get back.&quot; (The red and yellow references were, I guess, Lowery&#039;s own.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Copyright is similar in the UK, ie simply writing something original creates your copyright, even letters &#8211; posting them to someone does not transfer copyright. So for a high-profile instance <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/230311.stm" rel="nofollow">Princess Diana&#8217;s personal letters to James Hewitt </a>remained the copyright of her/her estate, and Hewitt could not publish them. &#8220;<i>If you buy a painting from an artist you buy the canvas, frame and oils but you do not buy the copyright,&#8221; he </i>[an expert] <i>said. &#8220;You could argue that when the princess wrote the letters she was giving him the paper and the ink but not the copyright.</i>&#8221;</p>
<p>And as for riffing on, reusing, referring to, building on etc other people&#8217;s works, a current case in point is the speech by Mr Lowery you quoted in another post: &#8220;when black will not be asked to get in back&#8221; was a knowing reference to the 1947 <a href="http://www.broonzy.com/" rel="nofollow">Big Bill Broonzy </a>song <a href="http://everything2.com/index.pl?node=Black%2C%20Brown%2C%20and%20White" rel="nofollow"><i>Black, Brown and White</i></a>: &#8220;Now, if you was white, you is alright/If you was brown, stick around/But if you is black, oh brother/Get back, get back, get back.&#8221; (The red and yellow references were, I guess, Lowery&#8217;s own.)</p>
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		<title>By: Jacob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jacob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jan 2009 00:08:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Why, I know readers who do not acknowledge that Angela Carter is a genius. Insanity!&quot;
I&#039;ve heard this from some people and I picked up one of her books (The Magic Toyshop) and didn&#039;t like it at all.  What is good by her?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Why, I know readers who do not acknowledge that Angela Carter is a genius. Insanity!&#8221;<br />
I&#8217;ve heard this from some people and I picked up one of her books (The Magic Toyshop) and didn&#8217;t like it at all.  What is good by her?</p>
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		<title>By: Valerine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Valerine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jan 2009 18:44:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From what I have read on the Library of Congress website in the US, it is pretty much the same.  Once a work is in a tangible form (i.e. paper, computer file, etc) copyright exists.  You can register your copyright, but it&#039;s usually done by a publisher.  Unless you plan on self-publishing, it&#039;s not worth the worry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From what I have read on the Library of Congress website in the US, it is pretty much the same.  Once a work is in a tangible form (i.e. paper, computer file, etc) copyright exists.  You can register your copyright, but it&#8217;s usually done by a publisher.  Unless you plan on self-publishing, it&#8217;s not worth the worry.</p>
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		<title>By: hereandnow</title>
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		<dc:creator>hereandnow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jan 2009 08:37:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I second Susannah&#039;s recommendation - the Copyright Council has excellent factsheets about Australian intellectual property.

&lt;i&gt;When it comes to institutions like universities and specific businesses I think the common practise is to be a bit cautious. Especially if you’re writing a book where some of your characters are thinly disguised real people and it’s pretty clear your novel is an expose of the dirty world of Princeton or Vogue magazine or Harvey Norman or whatever.&lt;/i&gt;

I&#039;m not an actual lawyer and I&#039;m most familiar with the Australian situation, but yes, renaming/altering identifable people and corporations can be a good idea -- particularly if the treatment of them is negative, because there might be a risk of defamation. (Defamation is tricky, because what is considered defamatory varies so widely between countries.) 

Other legal issues in this kind of situation might include passing off, trademark infringement and/or invasion of privacy. And that&#039;s just for text -- photos bring up a whole other range of things to consider.

But again, I am not a qualified legal practitioner! Just a copyright nerd.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I second Susannah&#8217;s recommendation &#8211; the Copyright Council has excellent factsheets about Australian intellectual property.</p>
<p><i>When it comes to institutions like universities and specific businesses I think the common practise is to be a bit cautious. Especially if you’re writing a book where some of your characters are thinly disguised real people and it’s pretty clear your novel is an expose of the dirty world of Princeton or Vogue magazine or Harvey Norman or whatever.</i></p>
<p>I&#8217;m not an actual lawyer and I&#8217;m most familiar with the Australian situation, but yes, renaming/altering identifable people and corporations can be a good idea &#8212; particularly if the treatment of them is negative, because there might be a risk of defamation. (Defamation is tricky, because what is considered defamatory varies so widely between countries.) </p>
<p>Other legal issues in this kind of situation might include passing off, trademark infringement and/or invasion of privacy. And that&#8217;s just for text &#8212; photos bring up a whole other range of things to consider.</p>
<p>But again, I am not a qualified legal practitioner! Just a copyright nerd.</p>
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		<title>By: Susannah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Susannah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jan 2009 05:30:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m so enjoying your January writing series, Justine!

As an editor who has to deal with copyright questions fairly regularly, I thought I might leap in with a useful link (for Australian readers, sorry USians). The Copyright Council of Australia has many useful info sheets at www.copyright.org.au. 

Most useful, perhaps, is to note that under Australian copyright law &#039;Copyright protection is free and applies automatically when material is created. There is NO registration system for copyright in Australia.&#039;

That means that as soon as it leaves your head and is in some tangible form - hand-written on napkins, spoken into a tape recorder, written on your blog, copyright exists and you own it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m so enjoying your January writing series, Justine!</p>
<p>As an editor who has to deal with copyright questions fairly regularly, I thought I might leap in with a useful link (for Australian readers, sorry USians). The Copyright Council of Australia has many useful info sheets at <a href="http://www.copyright.org.au" rel="nofollow">http://www.copyright.org.au</a>. </p>
<p>Most useful, perhaps, is to note that under Australian copyright law &#8216;Copyright protection is free and applies automatically when material is created. There is NO registration system for copyright in Australia.&#8217;</p>
<p>That means that as soon as it leaves your head and is in some tangible form &#8211; hand-written on napkins, spoken into a tape recorder, written on your blog, copyright exists and you own it.</p>
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