Comments on: Fred Astaire versus Gene Kelly

By: DavidK

DavidK — Mon, 29 Dec 2008 05:58:10 +0000

“Topper”! Fun movie, but the book was even better. I imagine that your new book has given you a good excuse to read (or re-read) all of the Thorne Smith novels. Definitely set in the right time, and a wonderful view into the culture of the times. The earliest Ellery Queen mysteries are great for that too – apart from being fun mysteries, they really impart a feel for what it must have been like to live in NY in the ’30s.

By: Lauren

Lauren — Sat, 27 Dec 2008 16:14:15 +0000

Most excellently swinging, those two, indeed. They actually combine elements of Astaire’s feather-lightness with Kelly’s rooted earthiness. Nobody does stillness like Gene Kelly. That man stops on a dime! But I’ll take these two for their spirited interpretation of swing. They dance the way the music sounds, and that’s a rare skill.

By: Gabrielle

Gabrielle — Thu, 25 Dec 2008 20:45:33 +0000

Wow, that was absolutely amazing!

By: stacy

stacy — Thu, 25 Dec 2008 17:44:25 +0000

I’m so glad to hear that you’ve seen all the Cary Grant movies. My favorite is My Favorite Wife, but then there’s so many other good ones to choose from (Holiday? Bringing Up Baby? can’t choose!). Up until a year or two ago, that was one that I was having a hard time finding on DVD. Now so many good ones that I’ve only been able to see on my tape off AMC from the mid-90s are coming out.

Thanks for the clip. I’ve also been obsessed with old movies for many a year now, and I’ve heard of the Nicholas brothers but hadn’t ever had a chance to see them in a movie yet. That dance is AWESOME.

One that you may not know of but is kind of like Stormy Weather in that it was made later, but is about that time period–my favorite Danny Kaye movie of all time is The Five Pennies, about Red Nichols, the band leader who got the Dorsey brothers, Glenn Miller, and so many jazz/big band artists started. He was up there with Bix Biderbeck and Louie Armstrong. But he mysteriously disappeared from the scene because his daughter got polio (or at least, that’s what happened in the movie, and I think it’s much like The Glenn Miller Story in that it fictionalizes a lot) and it’s just a great combination of Kaye’s drama and comedic acting skills. I just saw that it finally came out on DVD this year, and I wants it.

By: Justine

Justine — Thu, 25 Dec 2008 12:09:09 +0000

Kitty: Thanks so much for the rec. I have not heard of it and will now track it down. Bless!

By: Kitty

Kitty — Thu, 25 Dec 2008 02:04:19 +0000

Oh, and I highly recommend the documentary “Been Rich All My Life”, if you haven’t run across it already; it’s about several of the female dancers who danced at the Cotton Club, some of whom are still alive today and recount their experiences. Fab.

By: Kitty

Kitty — Thu, 25 Dec 2008 01:50:02 +0000

LOVE the Nicholas brothers, but am shocked at all the dissing of Fred Astaire! I love Gene Kelly too for his amazing athleticism and creativity, but Fred Astaire had an elegance of line that makes it clear why he’s Mikhail Baryshnikov’s favorite dancer. Personally I can’t choose a favorite; I love Kelly AND Astaire AND the Nicholas Brothers… and Shirley Temple, who could dance up a storm too. Check out her “At the Codfish Ball” dance with Buddy Ebsen from Captain January; too much fun. And anything she did with Bill Robinson, whom I also worship.

Yikes, I love tap dancers. Thanks!!!

By: Justine

Justine — Wed, 24 Dec 2008 21:51:39 +0000

Eric Luper: You are in need of help! I can’t believe you tricked me into watching puppets!

Cat: Indeed, many many performers did not get their due at the time and still don’t. It’s shocking to me that so few people know of the Nicholas Brothers now.

Researching this book is the most fun ever. I think I’ll keep writing books set in the 1930s forever.

Stefanie: Yup, I’m pretty sure I’ve seen every Cary Grant film from the 1930s that’s available. Isn’t Topper fabulous? It doesn’t get mentioned as often as Bringing up Baby though I like it just as much.

By: Stefanie

Stefanie — Wed, 24 Dec 2008 20:32:45 +0000

Wowzers! They left Astaire and Kelly dancing in their dust!

The only 1930 movies that I can think of right now are Cary Grant (*dreamy sigh*) movies like Topper and Bringing Up Baby. Then again, just about anything with Grant is worth watching…

By: Merrie Haskell

Merrie Haskell — Wed, 24 Dec 2008 19:33:31 +0000

I actually gasped a couple of times. Out loud! How embarrassing for me. But that was totally amazing!

By: Eric Luper

Eric Luper — Wed, 24 Dec 2008 19:19:30 +0000

Astaire, Nicholas Brothers…

Clearly, you forget the best dancer of all time:

By: Cat

Cat — Wed, 24 Dec 2008 18:25:28 +0000

I meant to say I did grow up on all those movies…I really need to edit before I post. Sorry. c

By: Cat

Cat — Wed, 24 Dec 2008 18:24:24 +0000

I like them all. But am glad that you are blogging and bringing attention to the Nichols Brothers. There are and were so many talented people out there and many do not get their due. Thanks for bringing the past back and giving them another 15 minutes. Sounds like you are doing a great job on the research and getting a fantastic education. Glad you share. There are many things that should not be forgotten and I did go up on all those movies from the 30s, 40s, and 50s. There are nice part of my childhood. Good luck on the book and I am so happy that you are out of the bad weather. Have fun with your family during the holiday season. Cat

By: Laura

Laura — Wed, 24 Dec 2008 17:02:07 +0000

I’m a fan of making the distinction between “best” and “favorite”: the Nicholas Brothers were the best…but Gene Kelly will always be my favorite.

I also recommend going to YouTube and typing in “lindyhop”. I promise that you’ll witness some of the best dancing you’ve ever seen in your life…and I believe it was in the 30s…or maybe the 40s…

By: Mike Jasper

Mike Jasper — Wed, 24 Dec 2008 14:54:59 +0000

Holy cow – thanks for sharing that! The part with the splits going down the steps had my mouth hanging open in shock. Um… ow? Amazing.

By: marrije

marrije — Wed, 24 Dec 2008 09:53:36 +0000

Lovely. Thanks for that bit. (Though I do love both Fred and Gene – why are they never on the telly anymore?)

I’m also so so grateful that back in the day they knew how to film dance: just keep that camera in one position and let the spectacular do its own talking. I really really dislike programmes like So You Think You Can Dance (I only know the Dutch version, so YMMV) who do all these irritating jump cuts so you can’t see what is going on with their amazing dancers.

By: Justine

Justine — Wed, 24 Dec 2008 07:07:45 +0000

Criss: Disagreeing with me isn’t nasty—it’s just wrong! I certainly agree that Kelly is a better dancer than Astaire. But Kelly is not a patch on the Nicholas Brothers.

Khy: Not just doing the splits but coming back out of them without using their hands!

By: khy

khy — Wed, 24 Dec 2008 07:05:24 +0000

So jealous of their splits abilities. I can barely touch my toes, let alone do the splits.

By: Criss

Criss — Wed, 24 Dec 2008 06:24:52 +0000

I’m sorry to come on your blog and be nasty, but I have to vote for Gene Kelly. The man has no equal – he defined performance quality. Never once did he ever need to look at his feet, like so many dancers do (not even when he tap danced on roller skates!!!); his facial expressions was as much part of the act has his twinkling toes.

However, I will agree that the Nicholas Brothers are head and shoulders above Fred Astaire.

(Then again, maybe I’m just bitter after watching that clip because no matter how long I stretched or how hard I tried, I never was able to do the splits… I’ve never been able to live down that shame from my drill team years.)