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		<title>By: Hillary!</title>
		<link>http://justinelarbalestier.com/blog/2008/10/11/ethical-dilemma/comment-page-1/#comment-73006</link>
		<dc:creator>Hillary!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2008 20:15:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, I&#039;m sure many people have said something along these lines already but even in the thirties there were people who hated smoking; my great grandparents for instance. Well, at least my great grandmother, she refused to marry my great grandfather until he stopped smoking. She said it gave her migraines.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, I&#8217;m sure many people have said something along these lines already but even in the thirties there were people who hated smoking; my great grandparents for instance. Well, at least my great grandmother, she refused to marry my great grandfather until he stopped smoking. She said it gave her migraines.</p>
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		<title>By: Electric Landlady</title>
		<link>http://justinelarbalestier.com/blog/2008/10/11/ethical-dilemma/comment-page-1/#comment-73004</link>
		<dc:creator>Electric Landlady</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2008 18:41:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In Connie Willis&#039;s &lt;i&gt;Remake&lt;/i&gt;, the protagonist has a job erasing all evidence of smoking from classic movies. He hates it, but does it anyway, &#039;cause you gotta eat. Then the Temperance League gets started and he has to start erasing all alcohol use as well, and is surprised by how many movies turn into &lt;i&gt;total nonsense&lt;/i&gt;...

I&#039;m for trust-your-reader too. I also agree that if your protagonist is young, they may not have started smoking yet; and I&#039;ve read a number of my-first-cigarette accounts which make the habit sound absolutely nauseating.

Your post also made me think of &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2008-09/sumc-tit092208.php&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2008-09/bmj-tcp092408.php&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;story&lt;/a&gt;, which may partly explain that haze of tobacco smoke in all those classic movies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In Connie Willis&#8217;s <i>Remake</i>, the protagonist has a job erasing all evidence of smoking from classic movies. He hates it, but does it anyway, &#8217;cause you gotta eat. Then the Temperance League gets started and he has to start erasing all alcohol use as well, and is surprised by how many movies turn into <i>total nonsense</i>&#8230;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m for trust-your-reader too. I also agree that if your protagonist is young, they may not have started smoking yet; and I&#8217;ve read a number of my-first-cigarette accounts which make the habit sound absolutely nauseating.</p>
<p>Your post also made me think of <a href="http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2008-09/sumc-tit092208.php" rel="nofollow">this</a> <a href="http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2008-09/bmj-tcp092408.php" rel="nofollow">story</a>, which may partly explain that haze of tobacco smoke in all those classic movies.</p>
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		<title>By: Justine</title>
		<link>http://justinelarbalestier.com/blog/2008/10/11/ethical-dilemma/comment-page-1/#comment-72989</link>
		<dc:creator>Justine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2008 18:12:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jennifer: Hah! That&#039;s awesome. He feels exactly the way I do about it right down to having lost family.  I do wish we were already living in the future where no one&#039;s smokes . . . Course they&#039;ll be doing some other hideous thing instead that hasn&#039;t been invented yet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jennifer: Hah! That&#8217;s awesome. He feels exactly the way I do about it right down to having lost family.  I do wish we were already living in the future where no one&#8217;s smokes . . . Course they&#8217;ll be doing some other hideous thing instead that hasn&#8217;t been invented yet.</p>
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		<title>By: Jennifer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jennifer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2008 18:03:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Have you seen this? Roger Ebert himself feels your pain:

http://blogs.suntimes.com/ebert/2008/10/thank_you_for_smoking.html

&quot;Look, I hate smoking. It took my parents from me, my father with lung cancer, my mother with emphysema. They both liked Luckies. When my dad&#039;s cancer was diagnosed, they played it safe and switched to Winstons. When my mother was breathing oxygen through a tube, she&#039;d take out the tube, turn off the oxygen, and light up. I avoid smokers. It isn&#039;t allowed in our house. When I see someone smoking, it feels like I&#039;m watching them bleed themselves, one drip at a time.
So we&#039;ve got that established. On the other hand, I have never objected to smoking in the movies, especially when it is necessary to establish a period or a personality.

I think some smoking is okay even in contemporary stories, if only to acknowledge it exists. Movies can&#039;t rewrite reality. The MPAA cautiously mentions smoking in their descriptions of movie ratings (even if it&#039;s the Cheshire Cat and his hookah). If, by the time you&#039;re old enough to sit through a movie, you haven&#039;t heard that smoking is bad for you, you don&#039;t need a movie rating, you need a foster home.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have you seen this? Roger Ebert himself feels your pain:</p>
<p><a href="http://blogs.suntimes.com/ebert/2008/10/thank_you_for_smoking.html" rel="nofollow">http://blogs.suntimes.com/ebert/2008/10/thank_you_for_smoking.html</a></p>
<p>&#8220;Look, I hate smoking. It took my parents from me, my father with lung cancer, my mother with emphysema. They both liked Luckies. When my dad&#8217;s cancer was diagnosed, they played it safe and switched to Winstons. When my mother was breathing oxygen through a tube, she&#8217;d take out the tube, turn off the oxygen, and light up. I avoid smokers. It isn&#8217;t allowed in our house. When I see someone smoking, it feels like I&#8217;m watching them bleed themselves, one drip at a time.<br />
So we&#8217;ve got that established. On the other hand, I have never objected to smoking in the movies, especially when it is necessary to establish a period or a personality.</p>
<p>I think some smoking is okay even in contemporary stories, if only to acknowledge it exists. Movies can&#8217;t rewrite reality. The MPAA cautiously mentions smoking in their descriptions of movie ratings (even if it&#8217;s the Cheshire Cat and his hookah). If, by the time you&#8217;re old enough to sit through a movie, you haven&#8217;t heard that smoking is bad for you, you don&#8217;t need a movie rating, you need a foster home.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Justine</title>
		<link>http://justinelarbalestier.com/blog/2008/10/11/ethical-dilemma/comment-page-1/#comment-72986</link>
		<dc:creator>Justine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2008 16:10:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eric: I totally agree with you. Historical fiction does have to be accurate. I definitely trust my readers to get that I&#039;m not advocating smoking. It&#039;s just that the long history of cigarettes and smoking being glamorised is still so strong even now. I know smart adults who right now think cigar smoking is cool and not harmful like smoking. Aaarggh!! 

Lunamoth: I agree completely. I have books with teenage pregnancy. There&#039;s a murder in my book that comes out next year. I&#039;m definitely not advocating either one! 

However, the history of smoking in the twentieth century is such a dark one and the tobacco industry&#039;s glamorisation of smoking and supression of medical data about the extreme dangers of smoking are so appalling that it really bothers me to add to positive portrayals of smoking.

Further to the price of cigarettes. It was much more common to be able to buy them one at a time for cheap back then. Also loose tobacco was considerably cheaper than ready-made cigarettes.

Julie: My book will be addressing many of the issues you cite. There were many people at the time who actively fought against racism and for women&#039;s reproductive rights. In the 1930s there was a booming African-American press that covered civil rights in great detail. Some of those papers (and there were &lt;i&gt;many&lt;/i&gt; of them) had circulations of over 60,000, by the early forties even more. It&#039;s definitely possible to portray the racist attitudes of the time while making it clear that you-the-author don&#039;t advocate them.

I think smoking&#039;s different, however, because its health effect weren&#039;t widely known. In fact the opposite was true some doctors of the period &lt;i&gt;advised&lt;/i&gt; patients to take up smoking for their health. The vast majority of the condemnations of smoking were on moral grounds not health. 

The difference is, I think, very clear. While there were workers&#039; rights advocates and campaigners against racism and for women&#039;s rights there was no movement saying, hey, smoking&#039;s bad for your health not because it&#039;s unladylike. That movement was twenty years away.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eric: I totally agree with you. Historical fiction does have to be accurate. I definitely trust my readers to get that I&#8217;m not advocating smoking. It&#8217;s just that the long history of cigarettes and smoking being glamorised is still so strong even now. I know smart adults who right now think cigar smoking is cool and not harmful like smoking. Aaarggh!! </p>
<p>Lunamoth: I agree completely. I have books with teenage pregnancy. There&#8217;s a murder in my book that comes out next year. I&#8217;m definitely not advocating either one! </p>
<p>However, the history of smoking in the twentieth century is such a dark one and the tobacco industry&#8217;s glamorisation of smoking and supression of medical data about the extreme dangers of smoking are so appalling that it really bothers me to add to positive portrayals of smoking.</p>
<p>Further to the price of cigarettes. It was much more common to be able to buy them one at a time for cheap back then. Also loose tobacco was considerably cheaper than ready-made cigarettes.</p>
<p>Julie: My book will be addressing many of the issues you cite. There were many people at the time who actively fought against racism and for women&#8217;s reproductive rights. In the 1930s there was a booming African-American press that covered civil rights in great detail. Some of those papers (and there were <i>many</i> of them) had circulations of over 60,000, by the early forties even more. It&#8217;s definitely possible to portray the racist attitudes of the time while making it clear that you-the-author don&#8217;t advocate them.</p>
<p>I think smoking&#8217;s different, however, because its health effect weren&#8217;t widely known. In fact the opposite was true some doctors of the period <i>advised</i> patients to take up smoking for their health. The vast majority of the condemnations of smoking were on moral grounds not health. </p>
<p>The difference is, I think, very clear. While there were workers&#8217; rights advocates and campaigners against racism and for women&#8217;s rights there was no movement saying, hey, smoking&#8217;s bad for your health not because it&#8217;s unladylike. That movement was twenty years away.</p>
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		<title>By: Julie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Julie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2008 16:07:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are a lot of less than pretty things that one has to look and sometimes address at when setting a story in any historical period, (some noted in other comments) but ignoring the distressing portions of history, or only using them as a way to underline a modern moral point means you&#039;re dressing up a modern story in old fashioned clothes. (Not that that doesn&#039;t happen a lot in modern &quot;historical&quot; fiction.)

This doesn&#039;t mean that a historical story has to tackle every ugly thing about an era, but if the smoking that was prevalent at the time distresses you so much, can you really write an honest story set in that period? Widespread smoking is perhaps one of the lesser things that a modern audience might find objectionable about the era. (Birth control was illegal, women were barely enfranchised, people of color weren&#039;t enfranchised at all, there almost no regulations protecting consumers from tainted food or workers from inhumane conditions...)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are a lot of less than pretty things that one has to look and sometimes address at when setting a story in any historical period, (some noted in other comments) but ignoring the distressing portions of history, or only using them as a way to underline a modern moral point means you&#8217;re dressing up a modern story in old fashioned clothes. (Not that that doesn&#8217;t happen a lot in modern &#8220;historical&#8221; fiction.)</p>
<p>This doesn&#8217;t mean that a historical story has to tackle every ugly thing about an era, but if the smoking that was prevalent at the time distresses you so much, can you really write an honest story set in that period? Widespread smoking is perhaps one of the lesser things that a modern audience might find objectionable about the era. (Birth control was illegal, women were barely enfranchised, people of color weren&#8217;t enfranchised at all, there almost no regulations protecting consumers from tainted food or workers from inhumane conditions&#8230;)</p>
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		<title>By: Lunamoth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lunamoth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2008 15:10:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I look at it like this: I sometimes have to have a murder in my stories, but I don&#039;t advocate murder.  I sometimes have to include characters with less than desireable eating habits, but I myself am a health nut.  Fictionalizing something that is historically accurate or which provides a sense of realism, IMO, does not equate advocating it.  

BUT... in 1922, the &quot;cigarette wars&quot; began as some people started to believe they were bad.  15 states (not NY) banned their sale at this time.

@Michelle: 1931-06: Cigarette Price Wars begin. Cigs sold for 14 cents a pack, 2-for-27 cents in the depths of the depression. (Source - http://academic.udayton.edu/health/syllabi/tobacco/history2.htm)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I look at it like this: I sometimes have to have a murder in my stories, but I don&#8217;t advocate murder.  I sometimes have to include characters with less than desireable eating habits, but I myself am a health nut.  Fictionalizing something that is historically accurate or which provides a sense of realism, IMO, does not equate advocating it.  </p>
<p>BUT&#8230; in 1922, the &#8220;cigarette wars&#8221; began as some people started to believe they were bad.  15 states (not NY) banned their sale at this time.</p>
<p>@Michelle: 1931-06: Cigarette Price Wars begin. Cigs sold for 14 cents a pack, 2-for-27 cents in the depths of the depression. (Source &#8211; <a href="http://academic.udayton.edu/health/syllabi/tobacco/history2.htm)" rel="nofollow">http://academic.udayton.edu/health/syllabi/tobacco/history2.htm)</a></p>
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		<title>By: Eric Luper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric Luper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2008 15:02:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Justine, I did not read the thirty-something comments that preceded mine but I can tell you that I struggled with the same issue as you in the writing of my forthcoming 1930&#039;s novel, Bug Boy. 

After vascillating a whole bunch, I decided to stick to the prevailing attitudes of the time. Some people will criticize me for this. They&#039;ll argue that I &#039;m promoting smoking in young people. However, I give teens more credit than that and it is most important to me to be authentic. It&#039;s what makes historical fiction just that.

My protag does not smoke, although he tries a cigar and does not care for it. It was important in my novel because it&#039;s the story of a young jockey&#039;s quick rise to fame and back then cigars were a sign of affluence. It was pertinent because my character, no matter how successful he becomes in his sport, always feels like an outsider. The rejection of the cigar was symbolic of that. 

Just putting it out there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Justine, I did not read the thirty-something comments that preceded mine but I can tell you that I struggled with the same issue as you in the writing of my forthcoming 1930&#8217;s novel, Bug Boy. </p>
<p>After vascillating a whole bunch, I decided to stick to the prevailing attitudes of the time. Some people will criticize me for this. They&#8217;ll argue that I &#8216;m promoting smoking in young people. However, I give teens more credit than that and it is most important to me to be authentic. It&#8217;s what makes historical fiction just that.</p>
<p>My protag does not smoke, although he tries a cigar and does not care for it. It was important in my novel because it&#8217;s the story of a young jockey&#8217;s quick rise to fame and back then cigars were a sign of affluence. It was pertinent because my character, no matter how successful he becomes in his sport, always feels like an outsider. The rejection of the cigar was symbolic of that. </p>
<p>Just putting it out there.</p>
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		<title>By: alys</title>
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		<dc:creator>alys</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2008 14:58:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If your characters are teenagers, then they&#039;ll certainly be influenced by the glamour of their favourite film stars smoking, and by the advertising and so on. Some of them might discover they don&#039;t actually like it, but they might persevere anyway, because it&#039;s so glamorous. 

My sister started smoking as a teenager. I tried it once, and after struggling not to throw up, asked how she could stand it - she said she felt sick too the first time she tried it, but she kept trying until she got used to it, because she wanted to seem more grown-up and hang out with the cool older girls.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If your characters are teenagers, then they&#8217;ll certainly be influenced by the glamour of their favourite film stars smoking, and by the advertising and so on. Some of them might discover they don&#8217;t actually like it, but they might persevere anyway, because it&#8217;s so glamorous. </p>
<p>My sister started smoking as a teenager. I tried it once, and after struggling not to throw up, asked how she could stand it &#8211; she said she felt sick too the first time she tried it, but she kept trying until she got used to it, because she wanted to seem more grown-up and hang out with the cool older girls.</p>
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		<title>By: Michelle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michelle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2008 13:24:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How expensive were cigarettes in the 30s? Maybe your character just can&#039;t afford them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How expensive were cigarettes in the 30s? Maybe your character just can&#8217;t afford them.</p>
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		<title>By: Penni</title>
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		<dc:creator>Penni</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2008 00:39:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My instinct is to say be true to your characters and your period and then afterword away. Like others have said trust your reader. 

I always found it a bit funny reading and hearing about people who didn&#039;t know that smoking could kill you back in the day. My Nana harassed my mother into taking up smoking &#039;to relax her&#039;, it was such a scandalous and surprisingly cathartic story.

Then again, I&#039;m an ex-smoker, so I might be suspect.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My instinct is to say be true to your characters and your period and then afterword away. Like others have said trust your reader. </p>
<p>I always found it a bit funny reading and hearing about people who didn&#8217;t know that smoking could kill you back in the day. My Nana harassed my mother into taking up smoking &#8216;to relax her&#8217;, it was such a scandalous and surprisingly cathartic story.</p>
<p>Then again, I&#8217;m an ex-smoker, so I might be suspect.</p>
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		<title>By: Criss</title>
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		<dc:creator>Criss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 22:57:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was going to suggest what Adrienne V said; incude a character who dislikes smoking because of asthma or another similar condition.  Someone very sensitive to smoke, whose eyes water, etc.  Someone like you, who hates the smell of it, etc.
Now, someone who grew up around smokers probably would not be as sensitive to smoke as we tend to be now (because we encounter smoke much less often), but you could still have someone with asthma or another breathing problem...
As others have said, you can probably get away with mentioning smoking in passing, without &quot;condoning&quot; or glamourizing it, just stating it&#039;s there and moving on.  You can have a few older characters who have the symptoms we now know (and your readers will recognize) are caused by smoking (nasty skin, yellow fingers, gross teeth, hacking coughs),and talk about how gross they are.  Your readers will know those people got that way from smoking, so you&#039;re giving your anti-smoking opinion without &quot;betraying&quot; the time/characters, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was going to suggest what Adrienne V said; incude a character who dislikes smoking because of asthma or another similar condition.  Someone very sensitive to smoke, whose eyes water, etc.  Someone like you, who hates the smell of it, etc.<br />
Now, someone who grew up around smokers probably would not be as sensitive to smoke as we tend to be now (because we encounter smoke much less often), but you could still have someone with asthma or another breathing problem&#8230;<br />
As others have said, you can probably get away with mentioning smoking in passing, without &#8220;condoning&#8221; or glamourizing it, just stating it&#8217;s there and moving on.  You can have a few older characters who have the symptoms we now know (and your readers will recognize) are caused by smoking (nasty skin, yellow fingers, gross teeth, hacking coughs),and talk about how gross they are.  Your readers will know those people got that way from smoking, so you&#8217;re giving your anti-smoking opinion without &#8220;betraying&#8221; the time/characters, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: kath</title>
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		<dc:creator>kath</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 18:46:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You could always keep the smoking very much in the periphery for the character(s) who do smoke, and perhaps have one of the more major characters try smoking and dislike it? The disliking smoking would be a much more fleshed-out scene. Perhaps a memory of why one character won&#039;t/doesn&#039;t smoke (bad memories associated with a person or place).

~kath

Or, you could have one of the non-smoking characters prefer something else (lipstick, going to the movies, pocket books) above smoking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You could always keep the smoking very much in the periphery for the character(s) who do smoke, and perhaps have one of the more major characters try smoking and dislike it? The disliking smoking would be a much more fleshed-out scene. Perhaps a memory of why one character won&#8217;t/doesn&#8217;t smoke (bad memories associated with a person or place).</p>
<p>~kath</p>
<p>Or, you could have one of the non-smoking characters prefer something else (lipstick, going to the movies, pocket books) above smoking.</p>
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		<title>By: emmaco</title>
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		<dc:creator>emmaco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 11:56:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Even if you find examples of people who didn&#039;t like smoking or thought it was bad for you from the 1930s, it wasn&#039;t the dominant feeling at the time. If I read a book set in the 30s and came across characters who were ahead of their time in smoking attitudes I&#039;d be annoyed and think the author was using a modern character in a historical setting. And pointed references to ill health seem a bit preachy. I&#039;m with the commenters who say to trust your readers to know that smoking is bad and you think it&#039;s bad even if people in the 30s thought it was sexy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even if you find examples of people who didn&#8217;t like smoking or thought it was bad for you from the 1930s, it wasn&#8217;t the dominant feeling at the time. If I read a book set in the 30s and came across characters who were ahead of their time in smoking attitudes I&#8217;d be annoyed and think the author was using a modern character in a historical setting. And pointed references to ill health seem a bit preachy. I&#8217;m with the commenters who say to trust your readers to know that smoking is bad and you think it&#8217;s bad even if people in the 30s thought it was sexy.</p>
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		<title>By: jennifer</title>
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		<dc:creator>jennifer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 10:54:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sinclair Lewis, in his novels about small-town American life written in the 1920s, wrote that smoking was bad and led to cancer.  (For example, in Main Street, and possibly in Arrowsmith as well).  It&#039;s been years and years since I&#039;ve read them, but I remember being shocked  in a &lt;i&gt;they knew that ALREADY??&lt;/i&gt; kind of way</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sinclair Lewis, in his novels about small-town American life written in the 1920s, wrote that smoking was bad and led to cancer.  (For example, in Main Street, and possibly in Arrowsmith as well).  It&#8217;s been years and years since I&#8217;ve read them, but I remember being shocked  in a <i>they knew that ALREADY??</i> kind of way</p>
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		<title>By: G</title>
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		<dc:creator>G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 09:32:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I was in Poland in 1987, before the wall fell, it was still socially unacceptable for a woman to smoke on the street or while walking. Although all the Poles I met smoked like fishes in water. I smoked then as well and as an American I was amazed at the public disapproval sent my way for smoking while outdoors or on the public street. I think it was even more so in the 30&#039;s, which is why all the flappers in the 20&#039;s were &quot;bad girls&quot; with bobs and long cigarette holders as phallic substitutes. I would think even &quot;tough&quot; teenagers would just be starting to smoke and that it would not be difficult to control the smoking you show in them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I was in Poland in 1987, before the wall fell, it was still socially unacceptable for a woman to smoke on the street or while walking. Although all the Poles I met smoked like fishes in water. I smoked then as well and as an American I was amazed at the public disapproval sent my way for smoking while outdoors or on the public street. I think it was even more so in the 30&#8217;s, which is why all the flappers in the 20&#8217;s were &#8220;bad girls&#8221; with bobs and long cigarette holders as phallic substitutes. I would think even &#8220;tough&#8221; teenagers would just be starting to smoke and that it would not be difficult to control the smoking you show in them.</p>
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		<title>By: Herenya</title>
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		<dc:creator>Herenya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 03:13:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe just have smoking there as part of the background - neither seen as glamourous or really problematic, but just part of life in that era? Something that&#039;s mentioned, but not focused on? 
I&#039;m very anti-smoking, but I&#039;ve read a lot of novels written/set during the 30s-50s and I don&#039;t react to smoking the way I would if it were present day. I know I can&#039;t think &quot;oh, you&#039;re being so stupid, ruining your health like that,&quot;  - perhaps it doesn&#039;t irritate me as much because I can see that it is a product of the times. But I don&#039;t stop thinking that it&#039;s so problematic, and I don&#039;t want to start copying the characters in that regard just because I admire them in other ways.
I guess trust that your readers will have smoking-is-bad drummed into them from other sources?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe just have smoking there as part of the background &#8211; neither seen as glamourous or really problematic, but just part of life in that era? Something that&#8217;s mentioned, but not focused on?<br />
I&#8217;m very anti-smoking, but I&#8217;ve read a lot of novels written/set during the 30s-50s and I don&#8217;t react to smoking the way I would if it were present day. I know I can&#8217;t think &#8220;oh, you&#8217;re being so stupid, ruining your health like that,&#8221;  &#8211; perhaps it doesn&#8217;t irritate me as much because I can see that it is a product of the times. But I don&#8217;t stop thinking that it&#8217;s so problematic, and I don&#8217;t want to start copying the characters in that regard just because I admire them in other ways.<br />
I guess trust that your readers will have smoking-is-bad drummed into them from other sources?</p>
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		<title>By: carson beck</title>
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		<dc:creator>carson beck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 02:22:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>huh. that&#039;s interesting. i feel for your dilemma. good luck. honestly i  didn&#039;t know smoking was so pervasive back then. i mean i knew people smoked but i assumed that like now there were people who did and people who didn&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>huh. that&#8217;s interesting. i feel for your dilemma. good luck. honestly i  didn&#8217;t know smoking was so pervasive back then. i mean i knew people smoked but i assumed that like now there were people who did and people who didn&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: Little Willow</title>
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		<dc:creator>Little Willow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 01:33:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I appreciate your ethical dilemma a great deal. I too am anti-smoking. I don&#039;t understand how or why people would want to smoke. It&#039;s nasty, it&#039;s smelly, and it hurts smokers AND non-smokers alike, inside and outside. I get physically ill when there&#039;s smoke nearby. Migraine and other grossness. I can&#039;t stand it when I see people smoke in movies or TV now, but I begrudgingly permit it for my favorite classic films and books (The Great Gatsby) because I know I can&#039;t exactly (or easily) get into a time machine, travel back in time, and say, &quot;Don&#039;t smoke!&quot; to those folks. Grrr. Anyhow, I say write what feels right to you, because I won&#039;t hate you for writing something that is historically accurate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I appreciate your ethical dilemma a great deal. I too am anti-smoking. I don&#8217;t understand how or why people would want to smoke. It&#8217;s nasty, it&#8217;s smelly, and it hurts smokers AND non-smokers alike, inside and outside. I get physically ill when there&#8217;s smoke nearby. Migraine and other grossness. I can&#8217;t stand it when I see people smoke in movies or TV now, but I begrudgingly permit it for my favorite classic films and books (The Great Gatsby) because I know I can&#8217;t exactly (or easily) get into a time machine, travel back in time, and say, &#8220;Don&#8217;t smoke!&#8221; to those folks. Grrr. Anyhow, I say write what feels right to you, because I won&#8217;t hate you for writing something that is historically accurate.</p>
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		<title>By: suzi</title>
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		<dc:creator>suzi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 01:32:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i think if you need to have it in your novel, then have it exactly as it would have been at the time. i think your readership are smart enough to realise that smoking is bad for them, and you don&#039;t necessarily have to endorse everything that ever appears in one of your novels. i&#039;m pretty sure holly black doesn&#039;t endorse drug use, but it features pretty heavily in &quot;valiant&quot;. but she also shows the effects it had on its users... so i guess have smoking in your novel, but show the effects it had on people. i&#039;d suggest talking to your writer friends to see how they&#039;ve dealt with a similar situation, but i bet you&#039;ve probably already done that...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i think if you need to have it in your novel, then have it exactly as it would have been at the time. i think your readership are smart enough to realise that smoking is bad for them, and you don&#8217;t necessarily have to endorse everything that ever appears in one of your novels. i&#8217;m pretty sure holly black doesn&#8217;t endorse drug use, but it features pretty heavily in &#8220;valiant&#8221;. but she also shows the effects it had on its users&#8230; so i guess have smoking in your novel, but show the effects it had on people. i&#8217;d suggest talking to your writer friends to see how they&#8217;ve dealt with a similar situation, but i bet you&#8217;ve probably already done that&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Ariel Zeitlin Cooke</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ariel Zeitlin Cooke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 01:04:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe you can do the old narrator-as-fish-out-of-water trick. Like all those historical novels that have unusually &quot;strong minded&quot; heroines. Your character can hate cigarettes though everyone around him or her thinks they&#039;re sexy and fabulous.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe you can do the old narrator-as-fish-out-of-water trick. Like all those historical novels that have unusually &#8220;strong minded&#8221; heroines. Your character can hate cigarettes though everyone around him or her thinks they&#8217;re sexy and fabulous.</p>
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		<title>By: Margaret</title>
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		<dc:creator>Margaret</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 01:00:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s hard for us to imagine it, these days when the link between smoking and health has been known throughout our lifetimes, but until the 1950&#039;s, no one, literally no one, not even medical profession, understood the health consequences of smoking. I recall my epidemiology professor telling us about this in the 1980&#039;s. He had done his medical training in the 1940&#039;s, and back then he—like virtually all his fellow medical students—smoked, and no one thought anything of it.
See http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/3826939.stm
When lung cancer rates started to rise dramatically in post-war Britain, no one knew why. Some suspected smoking; others, including Sir Richard Doll, who was instrumental in discovering the smoking-lung cancer link, thought it might be due to substances used in paving roads.
Given this, I think that any hint of the negative health effects of smoking would be a foreign element to the time setting of the story and if introduced, would have to come from some extraneous (out of the time) source.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s hard for us to imagine it, these days when the link between smoking and health has been known throughout our lifetimes, but until the 1950&#8217;s, no one, literally no one, not even medical profession, understood the health consequences of smoking. I recall my epidemiology professor telling us about this in the 1980&#8217;s. He had done his medical training in the 1940&#8217;s, and back then he—like virtually all his fellow medical students—smoked, and no one thought anything of it.<br />
See <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/3826939.stm" rel="nofollow">http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/3826939.stm</a><br />
When lung cancer rates started to rise dramatically in post-war Britain, no one knew why. Some suspected smoking; others, including Sir Richard Doll, who was instrumental in discovering the smoking-lung cancer link, thought it might be due to substances used in paving roads.<br />
Given this, I think that any hint of the negative health effects of smoking would be a foreign element to the time setting of the story and if introduced, would have to come from some extraneous (out of the time) source.</p>
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		<title>By: Cynthia Leitich Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cynthia Leitich Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 00:58:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know, I remember the smoke in my grandparents&#039; little house being so thick that I had to step outside on frozen winter days just to breathe. I remember my grandma Dorothy saying how the doctors had told her generation that it was good for them. I do think it&#039;s authentic, especially if you&#039;re peeling back even farther in time, and I think the era would be missing some atmosphere (so to speak) without it. I wonder if you could just hit the issue in a heart-to-heart in the author&#039;s note.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know, I remember the smoke in my grandparents&#8217; little house being so thick that I had to step outside on frozen winter days just to breathe. I remember my grandma Dorothy saying how the doctors had told her generation that it was good for them. I do think it&#8217;s authentic, especially if you&#8217;re peeling back even farther in time, and I think the era would be missing some atmosphere (so to speak) without it. I wonder if you could just hit the issue in a heart-to-heart in the author&#8217;s note.</p>
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		<title>By: Adrienne V</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adrienne V</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 00:40:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe you could have a character that for some reason had an outsider&#039;s view of smoking?  Someone with asthma or something of that sort, that sees smoking for what it really is?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe you could have a character that for some reason had an outsider&#8217;s view of smoking?  Someone with asthma or something of that sort, that sees smoking for what it really is?</p>
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		<title>By: Sharon M</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sharon M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 00:12:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m positive that Nancy Drew didn&#039;t smoke - and she was originally published in the 1930s. 

I have vague memories of villains with cigarettes and the occasional man with a pipe, but no smoking by the central crowd. 

The first few Nancy Drews were reissued recently, with forwards by contemporary authors (if you&#039;ve never read an original one, watch out for the casual bigotry).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m positive that Nancy Drew didn&#8217;t smoke &#8211; and she was originally published in the 1930s. </p>
<p>I have vague memories of villains with cigarettes and the occasional man with a pipe, but no smoking by the central crowd. </p>
<p>The first few Nancy Drews were reissued recently, with forwards by contemporary authors (if you&#8217;ve never read an original one, watch out for the casual bigotry).</p>
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