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		<title>By: Lizabelle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lizabelle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 06:08:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem I have with &lt;i&gt;Netherland&lt;/i&gt; (which I think is similar to your problem with it) is that the narrator is essentially a blank canvas, there to reflect the effect of 911 on his marriage/wife and the New York/American psyche. He's unbelievably passive (I'm about halfway through, and he's just literally described himself as "a bystander" in his work as an analyst), and gah, the passages about his childhood and most of what he gets up to now are SO BORING. I can see that O'Neill's a beautiful, technically brilliant writer, and I have no problem with entire books being written in this elegiac tone - but you need to make it interesting. So far, I found the confrontation at the cricket match interesting (actually, I loved that scene), the bureaucratic scenes hilarous, and that's about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem I have with <i>Netherland</i> (which I think is similar to your problem with it) is that the narrator is essentially a blank canvas, there to reflect the effect of 911 on his marriage/wife and the New York/American psyche. He&#8217;s unbelievably passive (I&#8217;m about halfway through, and he&#8217;s just literally described himself as &#8220;a bystander&#8221; in his work as an analyst), and gah, the passages about his childhood and most of what he gets up to now are SO BORING. I can see that O&#8217;Neill&#8217;s a beautiful, technically brilliant writer, and I have no problem with entire books being written in this elegiac tone - but you need to make it interesting. So far, I found the confrontation at the cricket match interesting (actually, I loved that scene), the bureaucratic scenes hilarous, and that&#8217;s about it.</p>
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		<title>By: Murex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Murex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 01:29:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had a similar reaction to Iain M Banks' Matter. It is well written, it has interesting aliens, lots of people love it and the first 500 pages bored me considerable. 

If anyone is interested I have more thoughts about it at http://www.imperialpurple.net/2008/07/07/matter/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had a similar reaction to Iain M Banks&#8217; Matter. It is well written, it has interesting aliens, lots of people love it and the first 500 pages bored me considerable. </p>
<p>If anyone is interested I have more thoughts about it at <a href="http://www.imperialpurple.net/2008/07/07/matter/" rel="nofollow">http://www.imperialpurple.net/2008/07/07/matter/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Sep 2008 05:11:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My wife felt much the same about Netherland. She expected to like it but from the florid prose that she read aloud to me, well I cold see her point.A writer who was way too aware of the tricks he could pull and wanted to let you know it, too. Which is a shame. New York, outsiders, cricket, expats. (On the other hand, she loved Nam Le, despite the hype.)

Anyway, I can never get too warmed up about Tim Winton. Much built up but too little pay off. I know, I know...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My wife felt much the same about Netherland. She expected to like it but from the florid prose that she read aloud to me, well I cold see her point.A writer who was way too aware of the tricks he could pull and wanted to let you know it, too. Which is a shame. New York, outsiders, cricket, expats. (On the other hand, she loved Nam Le, despite the hype.)</p>
<p>Anyway, I can never get too warmed up about Tim Winton. Much built up but too little pay off. I know, I know&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: cbjames</title>
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		<dc:creator>cbjames</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Aug 2008 18:42:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I recently read Netherland and had basically the same experience you did for basically the same reasons.  

On another note, I've been reading your blog for so long, I finally bought one of your books.  Magic or Madness.  Looks like fun.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I recently read Netherland and had basically the same experience you did for basically the same reasons.  </p>
<p>On another note, I&#8217;ve been reading your blog for so long, I finally bought one of your books.  Magic or Madness.  Looks like fun.</p>
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		<title>By: caitlin</title>
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		<dc:creator>caitlin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 01:14:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just finished Netherland, and I unfortunately must agree with you.  I too really wanted to like it, and yes the writing is stunning, but the main character just didn't grab me and he pretty much pissed me off.  I'm a huge baseball fan and really enjoyed the parts about cricket and immigrants coming together to play cricket in NY.  The driver's license part was hysterical,though I kept thinking you live in NYC why do you even need a dl?  I did feel sorry for his cricket bat and gear abandoned in the closet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just finished Netherland, and I unfortunately must agree with you.  I too really wanted to like it, and yes the writing is stunning, but the main character just didn&#8217;t grab me and he pretty much pissed me off.  I&#8217;m a huge baseball fan and really enjoyed the parts about cricket and immigrants coming together to play cricket in NY.  The driver&#8217;s license part was hysterical,though I kept thinking you live in NYC why do you even need a dl?  I did feel sorry for his cricket bat and gear abandoned in the closet.</p>
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		<title>By: Katie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Katie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 21:46:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For me it is The Golden Compass. I want so much to like and I know it is good but every time I either (a) get distracted or (b) give up. I can't figure it out at all since I love fanasties. I'll probably just have to give it another try. Maybe third times the charm?
There's a lot of books I like in retrospect. Different kind of the same problem I'd say...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For me it is The Golden Compass. I want so much to like and I know it is good but every time I either (a) get distracted or (b) give up. I can&#8217;t figure it out at all since I love fanasties. I&#8217;ll probably just have to give it another try. Maybe third times the charm?<br />
There&#8217;s a lot of books I like in retrospect. Different kind of the same problem I&#8217;d say&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: janet</title>
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		<dc:creator>janet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 19:39:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm thinking of a much-praised British fantasy writer. I've never been able to finish one of his books, but what turns me off isn't the writing or the story. There's just too much ichor. If his books weren't quite so slimy, I'd probably love them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m thinking of a much-praised British fantasy writer. I&#8217;ve never been able to finish one of his books, but what turns me off isn&#8217;t the writing or the story. There&#8217;s just too much ichor. If his books weren&#8217;t quite so slimy, I&#8217;d probably love them.</p>
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		<title>By: Haddy-la</title>
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		<dc:creator>Haddy-la</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 19:38:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>everyone liked twilight. i dispised it evey single part especialy the girl shes always like blahblahblah complainecomplaincomplaine. i only read half its annoyed me so much. i never only finish half of a book! 

ps she hated washington HOW DARE SHE!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>everyone liked twilight. i dispised it evey single part especialy the girl shes always like blahblahblah complainecomplaincomplaine. i only read half its annoyed me so much. i never only finish half of a book! </p>
<p>ps she hated washington HOW DARE SHE!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Jennifer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jennifer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 17:53:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I felt this way about King Dork. Funny book, but it's too low on plot. I NEED PLOT OR I AM NOT HAPPY. The character is puttering around through life and that's it? Meh. 

There's a guy in my writer's group who sounds like this. Everyone but me drools over his descriptions, but he has NO plot and writes "drifter" characters. It's dull as all hell.

I would not argue with Hillary about actually reading Jane Austen. She writes either ALL conversation or no conversation for pages and pages. I like the characters, but wading through that is just hard. I'll go watch a movie instead.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I felt this way about King Dork. Funny book, but it&#8217;s too low on plot. I NEED PLOT OR I AM NOT HAPPY. The character is puttering around through life and that&#8217;s it? Meh. </p>
<p>There&#8217;s a guy in my writer&#8217;s group who sounds like this. Everyone but me drools over his descriptions, but he has NO plot and writes &#8220;drifter&#8221; characters. It&#8217;s dull as all hell.</p>
<p>I would not argue with Hillary about actually reading Jane Austen. She writes either ALL conversation or no conversation for pages and pages. I like the characters, but wading through that is just hard. I&#8217;ll go watch a movie instead.</p>
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		<title>By: Diana Peterfreund</title>
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		<dc:creator>Diana Peterfreund</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 16:16:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, aside from the fact that I don't think Hillary! and I can be friends anymore, I see the point. There are plenty of books that I could objectively rate as good and yet subjectively dislike. A lot of the stuff I studied in high school and college falls under that heading.

It's the flip side of the "guilty pleasure" book. The one that you know, deep down, is crap, but it's so delicious nad readable and insert-reasoning-here that you love it anyway. Then again, there's an argument to be made that if you LIKE something, then the author did succeed in that goal -- entertaining you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, aside from the fact that I don&#8217;t think Hillary! and I can be friends anymore, I see the point. There are plenty of books that I could objectively rate as good and yet subjectively dislike. A lot of the stuff I studied in high school and college falls under that heading.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s the flip side of the &#8220;guilty pleasure&#8221; book. The one that you know, deep down, is crap, but it&#8217;s so delicious nad readable and insert-reasoning-here that you love it anyway. Then again, there&#8217;s an argument to be made that if you LIKE something, then the author did succeed in that goal &#8212; entertaining you.</p>
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		<title>By: Hillary!</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hillary!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 15:55:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am so guilty of this with &lt;i&gt;Pride and Prejudice&lt;/i&gt;. I can see that it is one of the best books I have ever read. I was totally into the romance. I loved than Darcy loves Elizabeth so much. But...I was bored. It was so slow. And if &lt;i&gt;Pride and Prejudice&lt;/i&gt; is slow, I don't think I could enjoy &lt;i&gt;Emma&lt;/i&gt; or &lt;i&gt;Sense and Sensibility&lt;/i&gt;. I was bored and I was so happy I finally finished it! And I can see how wonderful the book is, but I was bored with it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am so guilty of this with <i>Pride and Prejudice</i>. I can see that it is one of the best books I have ever read. I was totally into the romance. I loved than Darcy loves Elizabeth so much. But&#8230;I was bored. It was so slow. And if <i>Pride and Prejudice</i> is slow, I don&#8217;t think I could enjoy <i>Emma</i> or <i>Sense and Sensibility</i>. I was bored and I was so happy I finally finished it! And I can see how wonderful the book is, but I was bored with it.</p>
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		<title>By: carson beck</title>
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		<dc:creator>carson beck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 13:27:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I haven't read this book but i've had that experience with quite  a few books. Some fall under the classics label - like John Steinbeck. I want to like him but just can't. I can't get into James Ellroy either. and i own three of his books. The same with stephen king- and i own a few of his... I don't like them yet i keep buying more because so many people do i feel like i have to figure out what the magic is in their books, why are they so popular? What am i missing?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I haven&#8217;t read this book but i&#8217;ve had that experience with quite  a few books. Some fall under the classics label - like John Steinbeck. I want to like him but just can&#8217;t. I can&#8217;t get into James Ellroy either. and i own three of his books. The same with stephen king- and i own a few of his&#8230; I don&#8217;t like them yet i keep buying more because so many people do i feel like i have to figure out what the magic is in their books, why are they so popular? What am i missing?</p>
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		<title>By: Justine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Justine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 12:22:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Molly: Yay, that it's not just me. Lord, he can write though.

David: Who mentioned objectivity? Not me. 

I still think it's a good book. If I read it some other time I might not have been so bored by it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Molly: Yay, that it&#8217;s not just me. Lord, he can write though.</p>
<p>David: Who mentioned objectivity? Not me. </p>
<p>I still think it&#8217;s a good book. If I read it some other time I might not have been so bored by it.</p>
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		<title>By: toxicfur</title>
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		<dc:creator>toxicfur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 11:27:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There's one book that I've heard only great things about, and that I've read twice that I just don't like: Donna Tartt's 'The Secret History.' I disliked all of the characters. I hated the direction the plot went. I found the writing a bit overdone. And yet -- I absolutely couldn't put the book down both times I read it. I know it's a good book; it's just not for me, I suppose.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s one book that I&#8217;ve heard only great things about, and that I&#8217;ve read twice that I just don&#8217;t like: Donna Tartt&#8217;s &#8216;The Secret History.&#8217; I disliked all of the characters. I hated the direction the plot went. I found the writing a bit overdone. And yet &#8212; I absolutely couldn&#8217;t put the book down both times I read it. I know it&#8217;s a good book; it&#8217;s just not for me, I suppose.</p>
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		<title>By: David Moles</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Moles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 10:46:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>some people are bored by romance, other people are bored by explosions. it's hard to make "not boring" part of the objective difficulty score.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>some people are bored by romance, other people are bored by explosions. it&#8217;s hard to make &#8220;not boring&#8221; part of the objective difficulty score.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Payne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben Payne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 08:09:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Devil's advocate: Isn't part of being a "well written" book being, well, not boring?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Devil&#8217;s advocate: Isn&#8217;t part of being a &#8220;well written&#8221; book being, well, not boring?</p>
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		<title>By: Molly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Molly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 05:16:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm 85 percent through this book and have been for about two? three? months, which is totally weird behavior for me. It's also stuck through with post-its marking the utterly gorgeous turns of phrase, which also is weird behavior for me. But I can't quite get the rapturous reviews, either. And for some reason I cannot totally figure out I'm uncomfortable with the whole "9/11 book" thing. Maybe when I finally finish the damn thing I'll understand why that nags at me the way it does.

Anyway. It's not just you. At least from the nearly-through perspective!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m 85 percent through this book and have been for about two? three? months, which is totally weird behavior for me. It&#8217;s also stuck through with post-its marking the utterly gorgeous turns of phrase, which also is weird behavior for me. But I can&#8217;t quite get the rapturous reviews, either. And for some reason I cannot totally figure out I&#8217;m uncomfortable with the whole &#8220;9/11 book&#8221; thing. Maybe when I finally finish the damn thing I&#8217;ll understand why that nags at me the way it does.</p>
<p>Anyway. It&#8217;s not just you. At least from the nearly-through perspective!</p>
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