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		<title>By: Lizabelle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lizabelle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 06:08:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem I have with &lt;i&gt;Netherland&lt;/i&gt; (which I think is similar to your problem with it) is that the narrator is essentially a blank canvas, there to reflect the effect of 911 on his marriage/wife and the New York/American psyche. He&#039;s unbelievably passive (I&#039;m about halfway through, and he&#039;s just literally described himself as &quot;a bystander&quot; in his work as an analyst), and gah, the passages about his childhood and most of what he gets up to now are SO BORING. I can see that O&#039;Neill&#039;s a beautiful, technically brilliant writer, and I have no problem with entire books being written in this elegiac tone - but you need to make it interesting. So far, I found the confrontation at the cricket match interesting (actually, I loved that scene), the bureaucratic scenes hilarous, and that&#039;s about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem I have with <i>Netherland</i> (which I think is similar to your problem with it) is that the narrator is essentially a blank canvas, there to reflect the effect of 911 on his marriage/wife and the New York/American psyche. He&#8217;s unbelievably passive (I&#8217;m about halfway through, and he&#8217;s just literally described himself as &#8220;a bystander&#8221; in his work as an analyst), and gah, the passages about his childhood and most of what he gets up to now are SO BORING. I can see that O&#8217;Neill&#8217;s a beautiful, technically brilliant writer, and I have no problem with entire books being written in this elegiac tone &#8211; but you need to make it interesting. So far, I found the confrontation at the cricket match interesting (actually, I loved that scene), the bureaucratic scenes hilarous, and that&#8217;s about it.</p>
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		<title>By: Murex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Murex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 01:29:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had a similar reaction to Iain M Banks&#039; Matter. It is well written, it has interesting aliens, lots of people love it and the first 500 pages bored me considerable. 

If anyone is interested I have more thoughts about it at http://www.imperialpurple.net/2008/07/07/matter/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had a similar reaction to Iain M Banks&#8217; Matter. It is well written, it has interesting aliens, lots of people love it and the first 500 pages bored me considerable. </p>
<p>If anyone is interested I have more thoughts about it at <a href="http://www.imperialpurple.net/2008/07/07/matter/" rel="nofollow">http://www.imperialpurple.net/2008/07/07/matter/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Sep 2008 05:11:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My wife felt much the same about Netherland. She expected to like it but from the florid prose that she read aloud to me, well I cold see her point.A writer who was way too aware of the tricks he could pull and wanted to let you know it, too. Which is a shame. New York, outsiders, cricket, expats. (On the other hand, she loved Nam Le, despite the hype.)

Anyway, I can never get too warmed up about Tim Winton. Much built up but too little pay off. I know, I know...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My wife felt much the same about Netherland. She expected to like it but from the florid prose that she read aloud to me, well I cold see her point.A writer who was way too aware of the tricks he could pull and wanted to let you know it, too. Which is a shame. New York, outsiders, cricket, expats. (On the other hand, she loved Nam Le, despite the hype.)</p>
<p>Anyway, I can never get too warmed up about Tim Winton. Much built up but too little pay off. I know, I know&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: cbjames</title>
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		<dc:creator>cbjames</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Aug 2008 18:42:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I recently read Netherland and had basically the same experience you did for basically the same reasons.  

On another note, I&#039;ve been reading your blog for so long, I finally bought one of your books.  Magic or Madness.  Looks like fun.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I recently read Netherland and had basically the same experience you did for basically the same reasons.  </p>
<p>On another note, I&#8217;ve been reading your blog for so long, I finally bought one of your books.  Magic or Madness.  Looks like fun.</p>
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		<title>By: caitlin</title>
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		<dc:creator>caitlin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 01:14:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just finished Netherland, and I unfortunately must agree with you.  I too really wanted to like it, and yes the writing is stunning, but the main character just didn&#039;t grab me and he pretty much pissed me off.  I&#039;m a huge baseball fan and really enjoyed the parts about cricket and immigrants coming together to play cricket in NY.  The driver&#039;s license part was hysterical,though I kept thinking you live in NYC why do you even need a dl?  I did feel sorry for his cricket bat and gear abandoned in the closet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just finished Netherland, and I unfortunately must agree with you.  I too really wanted to like it, and yes the writing is stunning, but the main character just didn&#8217;t grab me and he pretty much pissed me off.  I&#8217;m a huge baseball fan and really enjoyed the parts about cricket and immigrants coming together to play cricket in NY.  The driver&#8217;s license part was hysterical,though I kept thinking you live in NYC why do you even need a dl?  I did feel sorry for his cricket bat and gear abandoned in the closet.</p>
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		<title>By: Katie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Katie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 21:46:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For me it is The Golden Compass. I want so much to like and I know it is good but every time I either (a) get distracted or (b) give up. I can&#039;t figure it out at all since I love fanasties. I&#039;ll probably just have to give it another try. Maybe third times the charm?
There&#039;s a lot of books I like in retrospect. Different kind of the same problem I&#039;d say...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For me it is The Golden Compass. I want so much to like and I know it is good but every time I either (a) get distracted or (b) give up. I can&#8217;t figure it out at all since I love fanasties. I&#8217;ll probably just have to give it another try. Maybe third times the charm?<br />
There&#8217;s a lot of books I like in retrospect. Different kind of the same problem I&#8217;d say&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: janet</title>
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		<dc:creator>janet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 19:39:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m thinking of a much-praised British fantasy writer. I&#039;ve never been able to finish one of his books, but what turns me off isn&#039;t the writing or the story. There&#039;s just too much ichor. If his books weren&#039;t quite so slimy, I&#039;d probably love them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m thinking of a much-praised British fantasy writer. I&#8217;ve never been able to finish one of his books, but what turns me off isn&#8217;t the writing or the story. There&#8217;s just too much ichor. If his books weren&#8217;t quite so slimy, I&#8217;d probably love them.</p>
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		<title>By: Haddy-la</title>
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		<dc:creator>Haddy-la</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 19:38:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>everyone liked twilight. i dispised it evey single part especialy the girl shes always like blahblahblah complainecomplaincomplaine. i only read half its annoyed me so much. i never only finish half of a book! 

ps she hated washington HOW DARE SHE!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>everyone liked twilight. i dispised it evey single part especialy the girl shes always like blahblahblah complainecomplaincomplaine. i only read half its annoyed me so much. i never only finish half of a book! </p>
<p>ps she hated washington HOW DARE SHE!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Jennifer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jennifer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 17:53:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I felt this way about King Dork. Funny book, but it&#039;s too low on plot. I NEED PLOT OR I AM NOT HAPPY. The character is puttering around through life and that&#039;s it? Meh. 

There&#039;s a guy in my writer&#039;s group who sounds like this. Everyone but me drools over his descriptions, but he has NO plot and writes &quot;drifter&quot; characters. It&#039;s dull as all hell.

I would not argue with Hillary about actually reading Jane Austen. She writes either ALL conversation or no conversation for pages and pages. I like the characters, but wading through that is just hard. I&#039;ll go watch a movie instead.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I felt this way about King Dork. Funny book, but it&#8217;s too low on plot. I NEED PLOT OR I AM NOT HAPPY. The character is puttering around through life and that&#8217;s it? Meh. </p>
<p>There&#8217;s a guy in my writer&#8217;s group who sounds like this. Everyone but me drools over his descriptions, but he has NO plot and writes &#8220;drifter&#8221; characters. It&#8217;s dull as all hell.</p>
<p>I would not argue with Hillary about actually reading Jane Austen. She writes either ALL conversation or no conversation for pages and pages. I like the characters, but wading through that is just hard. I&#8217;ll go watch a movie instead.</p>
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		<title>By: Diana Peterfreund</title>
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		<dc:creator>Diana Peterfreund</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 16:16:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, aside from the fact that I don&#039;t think Hillary! and I can be friends anymore, I see the point. There are plenty of books that I could objectively rate as good and yet subjectively dislike. A lot of the stuff I studied in high school and college falls under that heading.

It&#039;s the flip side of the &quot;guilty pleasure&quot; book. The one that you know, deep down, is crap, but it&#039;s so delicious nad readable and insert-reasoning-here that you love it anyway. Then again, there&#039;s an argument to be made that if you LIKE something, then the author did succeed in that goal -- entertaining you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, aside from the fact that I don&#8217;t think Hillary! and I can be friends anymore, I see the point. There are plenty of books that I could objectively rate as good and yet subjectively dislike. A lot of the stuff I studied in high school and college falls under that heading.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s the flip side of the &#8220;guilty pleasure&#8221; book. The one that you know, deep down, is crap, but it&#8217;s so delicious nad readable and insert-reasoning-here that you love it anyway. Then again, there&#8217;s an argument to be made that if you LIKE something, then the author did succeed in that goal &#8212; entertaining you.</p>
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		<title>By: Hillary!</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hillary!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 15:55:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am so guilty of this with &lt;i&gt;Pride and Prejudice&lt;/i&gt;. I can see that it is one of the best books I have ever read. I was totally into the romance. I loved than Darcy loves Elizabeth so much. But...I was bored. It was so slow. And if &lt;i&gt;Pride and Prejudice&lt;/i&gt; is slow, I don&#039;t think I could enjoy &lt;i&gt;Emma&lt;/i&gt; or &lt;i&gt;Sense and Sensibility&lt;/i&gt;. I was bored and I was so happy I finally finished it! And I can see how wonderful the book is, but I was bored with it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am so guilty of this with <i>Pride and Prejudice</i>. I can see that it is one of the best books I have ever read. I was totally into the romance. I loved than Darcy loves Elizabeth so much. But&#8230;I was bored. It was so slow. And if <i>Pride and Prejudice</i> is slow, I don&#8217;t think I could enjoy <i>Emma</i> or <i>Sense and Sensibility</i>. I was bored and I was so happy I finally finished it! And I can see how wonderful the book is, but I was bored with it.</p>
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		<title>By: carson beck</title>
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		<dc:creator>carson beck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 13:27:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I haven&#039;t read this book but i&#039;ve had that experience with quite  a few books. Some fall under the classics label - like John Steinbeck. I want to like him but just can&#039;t. I can&#039;t get into James Ellroy either. and i own three of his books. The same with stephen king- and i own a few of his... I don&#039;t like them yet i keep buying more because so many people do i feel like i have to figure out what the magic is in their books, why are they so popular? What am i missing?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I haven&#8217;t read this book but i&#8217;ve had that experience with quite  a few books. Some fall under the classics label &#8211; like John Steinbeck. I want to like him but just can&#8217;t. I can&#8217;t get into James Ellroy either. and i own three of his books. The same with stephen king- and i own a few of his&#8230; I don&#8217;t like them yet i keep buying more because so many people do i feel like i have to figure out what the magic is in their books, why are they so popular? What am i missing?</p>
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		<title>By: Justine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Justine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 12:22:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Molly: Yay, that it&#039;s not just me. Lord, he can write though.

David: Who mentioned objectivity? Not me. 

I still think it&#039;s a good book. If I read it some other time I might not have been so bored by it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Molly: Yay, that it&#8217;s not just me. Lord, he can write though.</p>
<p>David: Who mentioned objectivity? Not me. </p>
<p>I still think it&#8217;s a good book. If I read it some other time I might not have been so bored by it.</p>
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		<title>By: toxicfur</title>
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		<dc:creator>toxicfur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 11:27:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s one book that I&#039;ve heard only great things about, and that I&#039;ve read twice that I just don&#039;t like: Donna Tartt&#039;s &#039;The Secret History.&#039; I disliked all of the characters. I hated the direction the plot went. I found the writing a bit overdone. And yet -- I absolutely couldn&#039;t put the book down both times I read it. I know it&#039;s a good book; it&#039;s just not for me, I suppose.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s one book that I&#8217;ve heard only great things about, and that I&#8217;ve read twice that I just don&#8217;t like: Donna Tartt&#8217;s &#8216;The Secret History.&#8217; I disliked all of the characters. I hated the direction the plot went. I found the writing a bit overdone. And yet &#8212; I absolutely couldn&#8217;t put the book down both times I read it. I know it&#8217;s a good book; it&#8217;s just not for me, I suppose.</p>
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		<title>By: David Moles</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Moles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 10:46:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>some people are bored by romance, other people are bored by explosions. it&#039;s hard to make &quot;not boring&quot; part of the objective difficulty score.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>some people are bored by romance, other people are bored by explosions. it&#8217;s hard to make &#8220;not boring&#8221; part of the objective difficulty score.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Payne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben Payne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 08:09:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Devil&#039;s advocate: Isn&#039;t part of being a &quot;well written&quot; book being, well, not boring?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Devil&#8217;s advocate: Isn&#8217;t part of being a &#8220;well written&#8221; book being, well, not boring?</p>
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		<title>By: Molly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Molly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 05:16:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m 85 percent through this book and have been for about two? three? months, which is totally weird behavior for me. It&#039;s also stuck through with post-its marking the utterly gorgeous turns of phrase, which also is weird behavior for me. But I can&#039;t quite get the rapturous reviews, either. And for some reason I cannot totally figure out I&#039;m uncomfortable with the whole &quot;9/11 book&quot; thing. Maybe when I finally finish the damn thing I&#039;ll understand why that nags at me the way it does.

Anyway. It&#039;s not just you. At least from the nearly-through perspective!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m 85 percent through this book and have been for about two? three? months, which is totally weird behavior for me. It&#8217;s also stuck through with post-its marking the utterly gorgeous turns of phrase, which also is weird behavior for me. But I can&#8217;t quite get the rapturous reviews, either. And for some reason I cannot totally figure out I&#8217;m uncomfortable with the whole &#8220;9/11 book&#8221; thing. Maybe when I finally finish the damn thing I&#8217;ll understand why that nags at me the way it does.</p>
<p>Anyway. It&#8217;s not just you. At least from the nearly-through perspective!</p>
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