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		<title>By: Joreth</title>
		<link>http://justinelarbalestier.com/blog/2008/07/11/elite-elitist-elitism/comment-page-1/#comment-71237</link>
		<dc:creator>Joreth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 16:16:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doh, see what happens when I respond without reading the previous comments?

Sorry for the repeat opinion.</description>
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<p>Sorry for the repeat opinion.</p>
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		<title>By: Joreth</title>
		<link>http://justinelarbalestier.com/blog/2008/07/11/elite-elitist-elitism/comment-page-1/#comment-71235</link>
		<dc:creator>Joreth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 16:14:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By definition, the presidential candidates are all &quot;elite&quot;:

Main Entry: elite   
Pronunciation: \?-?l?t, i-, ?-\ 
Function: noun 
Etymology: French élite, from Old French eslite, from feminine of eslit, past participle of eslire to choose, from Latin eligere 
Date: 1823 
1 &lt;b&gt;a&lt;/b&gt; &lt;i&gt;singular or plural in construction&lt;/i&gt; : the choice part : cream  &lt;b&gt;b&lt;/b&gt; &lt;i&gt;singular or plural in construction&lt;/i&gt; : the best of a class  &lt;b&gt;c&lt;/b&gt; &lt;i&gt;singular or plural in construction&lt;/i&gt; : the socially superior part of society   &lt;b&gt;d&lt;/b&gt;: a group of persons who by virtue of position or education exercise much power or influence   &lt;b&gt;e&lt;/b&gt;: a member of such an elite —usually used in plural 
2: a typewriter type providing 12 characters to the linear inch</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By definition, the presidential candidates are all &#8220;elite&#8221;:</p>
<p>Main Entry: elite<br />
Pronunciation: \?-?l?t, i-, ?-\<br />
Function: noun<br />
Etymology: French élite, from Old French eslite, from feminine of eslit, past participle of eslire to choose, from Latin eligere<br />
Date: 1823<br />
1 <b>a</b> <i>singular or plural in construction</i> : the choice part : cream  <b>b</b> <i>singular or plural in construction</i> : the best of a class  <b>c</b> <i>singular or plural in construction</i> : the socially superior part of society   <b>d</b>: a group of persons who by virtue of position or education exercise much power or influence   <b>e</b>: a member of such an elite —usually used in plural<br />
2: a typewriter type providing 12 characters to the linear inch</p>
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		<title>By: janet</title>
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		<dc:creator>janet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jul 2008 05:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Geoff Nunberg on Fresh Air had a pretty good analysis a few months ago:

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=89940718

If you don&#039;t want to bother listening to it, I&#039;ll just say that he more or less agrees with the interpretation many of you have made, that &quot;elitism&quot; means &quot;thinking you&#039;re better than ordinary people,&quot; where &quot;ordinary people&quot; means &quot;me and my friends.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Geoff Nunberg on Fresh Air had a pretty good analysis a few months ago:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=89940718" rel="nofollow">http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=89940718</a></p>
<p>If you don&#8217;t want to bother listening to it, I&#8217;ll just say that he more or less agrees with the interpretation many of you have made, that &#8220;elitism&#8221; means &#8220;thinking you&#8217;re better than ordinary people,&#8221; where &#8220;ordinary people&#8221; means &#8220;me and my friends.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Carbonel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carbonel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jul 2008 16:56:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you honestly want to know, the clue is in the &quot;-ist&quot; at the end of the word. Race is fine; but not racist. Elite is fine, but not elitist. Etc.

And like all the other &quot;-isms&quot; of course, merely having the right, erm, credentials (in the case of Mr. Obama) a poor or immigrant background. doesn&#039;t inure one to accusations that this particular &quot;ism&quot; applies to you.

And of course, it can come from either direction. From those in the elite, who run things (the pols, the professional classes, tenured academics, leading journos, captains of industry, etc.) an elitist can be someone who aspires, shamelessly to be One of Us. Think of Frank Burns (M.A.S.H.) or Becky Sharpe for a fair assessment of this (I would call it unfair in the case of Mr. Obama, but I don&#039;t really know)

It can come from those outside, who resent those who rule, who &lt;i&gt;want&lt;/i&gt; to rule their lives, telling them what to do because they, naturally, being Of the Elite, know what&#039;s best for the Little People.

And unfortunately for Mr. Obama, any pol who is not an old-fashioned small-government classical liberal fits that bill for the ordinary run of Americans.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you honestly want to know, the clue is in the &#8220;-ist&#8221; at the end of the word. Race is fine; but not racist. Elite is fine, but not elitist. Etc.</p>
<p>And like all the other &#8220;-isms&#8221; of course, merely having the right, erm, credentials (in the case of Mr. Obama) a poor or immigrant background. doesn&#8217;t inure one to accusations that this particular &#8220;ism&#8221; applies to you.</p>
<p>And of course, it can come from either direction. From those in the elite, who run things (the pols, the professional classes, tenured academics, leading journos, captains of industry, etc.) an elitist can be someone who aspires, shamelessly to be One of Us. Think of Frank Burns (M.A.S.H.) or Becky Sharpe for a fair assessment of this (I would call it unfair in the case of Mr. Obama, but I don&#8217;t really know)</p>
<p>It can come from those outside, who resent those who rule, who <i>want</i> to rule their lives, telling them what to do because they, naturally, being Of the Elite, know what&#8217;s best for the Little People.</p>
<p>And unfortunately for Mr. Obama, any pol who is not an old-fashioned small-government classical liberal fits that bill for the ordinary run of Americans.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Lawson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Lawson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jul 2008 03:31:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s no point going to the dictionary for the definition of &quot;elitist.&quot; It&#039;s a spin word, used by the same people who call themselves &quot;conservative&quot; but do everything they can to overturn centuries-old fundamental constitutional principles.

What &quot;elitist&quot; really stands for is &quot;from academia.&quot; It is intended to imply a lack of awareness of the needs of ordinary working families. The reason this is being thrown at Obama is that he is a professor of law. As Scalzi pointed out, even a professor of law is far less &quot;elitist&quot; and out of touch with ordinary people than any of those throwing the word at him.

It is also worth saying that &quot;elitism,&quot; even if it did apply, is rather minor on the scale of political sins. Kind of like calling an athlete &quot;arrogant&quot; or a novelist &quot;reclusive.&quot; Sure it would be nice if they were more humble or outgoing, and it might make things easier for their marketing people, but it has very little bearing on what really matters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s no point going to the dictionary for the definition of &#8220;elitist.&#8221; It&#8217;s a spin word, used by the same people who call themselves &#8220;conservative&#8221; but do everything they can to overturn centuries-old fundamental constitutional principles.</p>
<p>What &#8220;elitist&#8221; really stands for is &#8220;from academia.&#8221; It is intended to imply a lack of awareness of the needs of ordinary working families. The reason this is being thrown at Obama is that he is a professor of law. As Scalzi pointed out, even a professor of law is far less &#8220;elitist&#8221; and out of touch with ordinary people than any of those throwing the word at him.</p>
<p>It is also worth saying that &#8220;elitism,&#8221; even if it did apply, is rather minor on the scale of political sins. Kind of like calling an athlete &#8220;arrogant&#8221; or a novelist &#8220;reclusive.&#8221; Sure it would be nice if they were more humble or outgoing, and it might make things easier for their marketing people, but it has very little bearing on what really matters.</p>
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		<title>By: mensley</title>
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		<dc:creator>mensley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 18:39:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like John Stewart&#039;s take on the matter (towards the end, 7:20):

http://www.comedycentral.com/videos/index.jhtml?videoId=166074

&quot;You know, I hear what you&#039;re all saying, but doesn&#039;t elite mean *good*? Is that not something we&#039;re looking for in a president anymore?. [snip] I know &#039;elite&#039; is a bad word in politics, and you wanna go bowling and throw back a few beers, but the job you&#039;re applying for, if you get it and it goes well, they might carve your head into a mountain. If you don&#039;t actually think you&#039;re better than us, then what the f--- are you doing? [snip] In fact, not only do I want an elite president, I want someone who&#039;s *embarrassingly* superior to me.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like John Stewart&#8217;s take on the matter (towards the end, 7:20):</p>
<p><a href="http://www.comedycentral.com/videos/index.jhtml?videoId=166074" rel="nofollow">http://www.comedycentral.com/videos/index.jhtml?videoId=166074</a></p>
<p>&#8220;You know, I hear what you&#8217;re all saying, but doesn&#8217;t elite mean *good*? Is that not something we&#8217;re looking for in a president anymore?. [snip] I know &#8216;elite&#8217; is a bad word in politics, and you wanna go bowling and throw back a few beers, but the job you&#8217;re applying for, if you get it and it goes well, they might carve your head into a mountain. If you don&#8217;t actually think you&#8217;re better than us, then what the f&#8212; are you doing? [snip] In fact, not only do I want an elite president, I want someone who&#8217;s *embarrassingly* superior to me.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Buchheit</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Buchheit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 17:03:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I&#039;m elitist because I like my big letters, thank you.

I think in this case she&#039;s using the wrong word. I knew I had the word earlier, but can&#039;t call it to mind. For her her elitism=not a populist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I&#8217;m elitist because I like my big letters, thank you.</p>
<p>I think in this case she&#8217;s using the wrong word. I knew I had the word earlier, but can&#8217;t call it to mind. For her her elitism=not a populist.</p>
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		<title>By: Heather Harper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Heather Harper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 16:51:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And thank you for not deleting my coffee comment. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And thank you for not deleting my coffee comment. <img src='http://justinelarbalestier.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Heather Harper</title>
		<link>http://justinelarbalestier.com/blog/2008/07/11/elite-elitist-elitism/comment-page-1/#comment-70992</link>
		<dc:creator>Heather Harper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 16:49:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m a college drop-out, but I do not embrace anti-intellectualism.  I respect and admire others achievements.  My BF is a multiple MFer (snort) and doesn&#039;t look down on me because I lack a degree.  She also respects my non-traditional path of self-education in pursuit of my goal to become a published author.

Regardless, I don&#039;t think of Obama or Hillary as elitist.  I reserve that judgement for extreme supporters of a candidate that can&#039;t tolerate or intelligently debate an opposing viewpoint.  Elitist may not be the correct label, but it reeks of disrespect and lack of compassion for others.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a college drop-out, but I do not embrace anti-intellectualism.  I respect and admire others achievements.  My BF is a multiple MFer (snort) and doesn&#8217;t look down on me because I lack a degree.  She also respects my non-traditional path of self-education in pursuit of my goal to become a published author.</p>
<p>Regardless, I don&#8217;t think of Obama or Hillary as elitist.  I reserve that judgement for extreme supporters of a candidate that can&#8217;t tolerate or intelligently debate an opposing viewpoint.  Elitist may not be the correct label, but it reeks of disrespect and lack of compassion for others.</p>
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		<title>By: Lori S.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lori S.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 15:49:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They mean a) he&#039;s smarter than they are and doesn&#039;t hide it; a synonynm for &quot;smartypants.&quot; It&#039;s that peculiar American strain of anti-intellectualism rearing its very ugly head again.

and b) that therefore (and don&#039;t ask me the logic, I don&#039;t follow it) he cannot &quot;relate&quot; to the &quot;man [sic] on the street&quot; and said imaginary man&#039;s everyday concerns.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They mean a) he&#8217;s smarter than they are and doesn&#8217;t hide it; a synonynm for &#8220;smartypants.&#8221; It&#8217;s that peculiar American strain of anti-intellectualism rearing its very ugly head again.</p>
<p>and b) that therefore (and don&#8217;t ask me the logic, I don&#8217;t follow it) he cannot &#8220;relate&#8221; to the &#8220;man [sic] on the street&#8221; and said imaginary man&#8217;s everyday concerns.</p>
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		<title>By: beth</title>
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		<dc:creator>beth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 15:32:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>*sigh*  I am from the deeeeep (read: racist) South, and I am *sick* of hearing people slam Obama for anything other than policies.  If you disagree with his stand on public campaign funding or health care, *fine*, but everything else is just superfluous fluff.  

I teach high school in an area where there are very few non-white kids.  For example, in my last semester of teaching, I taught about 70 white kids, 1 Asian kid, and 3 black kids.  Calling Obama elitist makes me sad, just like when the black kids in my honors class are called white wanna-bes just because they aren&#039;t talking in broken slang and actually care about education.  I have seen really smart potential-filled black kids in my standard class refuse to step up to a higher level honors class because they don&#039;t want to give the appearance of &quot;acting white&quot; to their few black peers in the school.  They identify being black with being dumb, and it breaks my heart.

Of course, this is just a smaller-scale microscopic view of my own community, but when I hear Obama called elitist, all I can think about is how Joe asked me not to tell the class that he made the highest score on his essay because he didn&#039;t want his black friends to make fun of him.  Obama&#039;s case may be different, and the situation may be different, but from where I stand, when I hear someone label him as elitist, all I can really hear is a racial slur.

I wish this election could be about politics, not race.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>*sigh*  I am from the deeeeep (read: racist) South, and I am *sick* of hearing people slam Obama for anything other than policies.  If you disagree with his stand on public campaign funding or health care, *fine*, but everything else is just superfluous fluff.  </p>
<p>I teach high school in an area where there are very few non-white kids.  For example, in my last semester of teaching, I taught about 70 white kids, 1 Asian kid, and 3 black kids.  Calling Obama elitist makes me sad, just like when the black kids in my honors class are called white wanna-bes just because they aren&#8217;t talking in broken slang and actually care about education.  I have seen really smart potential-filled black kids in my standard class refuse to step up to a higher level honors class because they don&#8217;t want to give the appearance of &#8220;acting white&#8221; to their few black peers in the school.  They identify being black with being dumb, and it breaks my heart.</p>
<p>Of course, this is just a smaller-scale microscopic view of my own community, but when I hear Obama called elitist, all I can think about is how Joe asked me not to tell the class that he made the highest score on his essay because he didn&#8217;t want his black friends to make fun of him.  Obama&#8217;s case may be different, and the situation may be different, but from where I stand, when I hear someone label him as elitist, all I can really hear is a racial slur.</p>
<p>I wish this election could be about politics, not race.</p>
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		<title>By: Diana Peterfreund</title>
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		<dc:creator>Diana Peterfreund</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 15:31:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From time to time, I have been called an elitist, most likely because I was educated at an Ivy League school and do not (unlike my President) feel the need to either downplay or dismiss that fact). The wrath that total strangers feel toward me because of where I went to school is a little overwhelming.  

Anti-intellectualism is rampant in the US. Somehow, it&#039;s been decried as both &quot;soft&quot; and &quot;upper class&quot; -- which is interesting, since the way the upper class was created in this country was by lower and middle class people studying their butts off and becoming inventors, industrialists, etc. Also, anti-intellectualism is popular because if you don&#039;t know something, you can just pretend not to think about it (like the environment).

It&#039;s still fascinating to me how a several-generations spoiled rich boy Yale legacy can be just folks, while the food stamp son of an immigrant raised by a single mother is elitist. But that&#039;s politics.

I&#039;m with those who say that the &quot;elitist&quot; stamp in Obama&#039;s case is code for &quot;uppity.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From time to time, I have been called an elitist, most likely because I was educated at an Ivy League school and do not (unlike my President) feel the need to either downplay or dismiss that fact). The wrath that total strangers feel toward me because of where I went to school is a little overwhelming.  </p>
<p>Anti-intellectualism is rampant in the US. Somehow, it&#8217;s been decried as both &#8220;soft&#8221; and &#8220;upper class&#8221; &#8212; which is interesting, since the way the upper class was created in this country was by lower and middle class people studying their butts off and becoming inventors, industrialists, etc. Also, anti-intellectualism is popular because if you don&#8217;t know something, you can just pretend not to think about it (like the environment).</p>
<p>It&#8217;s still fascinating to me how a several-generations spoiled rich boy Yale legacy can be just folks, while the food stamp son of an immigrant raised by a single mother is elitist. But that&#8217;s politics.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m with those who say that the &#8220;elitist&#8221; stamp in Obama&#8217;s case is code for &#8220;uppity.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: hillary!</title>
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		<dc:creator>hillary!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 14:53:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>elite
(adj) : of high birth or social position; aristocratic or patrician 
(n) : a special group or social class of people which have a superior intellectual, social or economic status as, the elite of society; Someone who is among the best at certain task 

As according to ninjawords.com, I wonder what urban dictionary would say? Prolly highly inapropriate. I think that Lady de Rothschild is just scared of Obama.

I&#039;d say I&#039;m an elitist when it comes to reading. Speaking of which, How To Ditch Your Fairy is AWESOME! I LOVED IT!

And, strangest news of all, I had a dream and Justine was in it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>elite<br />
(adj) : of high birth or social position; aristocratic or patrician<br />
(n) : a special group or social class of people which have a superior intellectual, social or economic status as, the elite of society; Someone who is among the best at certain task </p>
<p>As according to ninjawords.com, I wonder what urban dictionary would say? Prolly highly inapropriate. I think that Lady de Rothschild is just scared of Obama.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d say I&#8217;m an elitist when it comes to reading. Speaking of which, How To Ditch Your Fairy is AWESOME! I LOVED IT!</p>
<p>And, strangest news of all, I had a dream and Justine was in it.</p>
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		<title>By: kathleen duey</title>
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		<dc:creator>kathleen duey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 14:35:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>dictionary says:
1. practice of or belief in rule by an elite.  
2. consciousness of or pride in belonging to a select or favored group.  

 Remember that tape of W facing a room of Armani, silk, and diamonds at a 2500-a-plate fund raiser. He said: &quot;Some people callya the elite. I callya mu base.&quot;

I have never been a class warrior, not even back in hippie/early punk days (I am that old, yes) But lately? These robber barons...

If they pin the world elitist on Obama, they get a three-fer.  The racists hear &quot;uppity&quot; with all its echoes, the middle class hears &quot;He&#039;s just faking caring about us&quot; and Joe Sixpack hears &quot;pus*y&quot;. And that last one is the candidate killer here in the US.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dictionary says:<br />
1. practice of or belief in rule by an elite.<br />
2. consciousness of or pride in belonging to a select or favored group.  </p>
<p> Remember that tape of W facing a room of Armani, silk, and diamonds at a 2500-a-plate fund raiser. He said: &#8220;Some people callya the elite. I callya mu base.&#8221;</p>
<p>I have never been a class warrior, not even back in hippie/early punk days (I am that old, yes) But lately? These robber barons&#8230;</p>
<p>If they pin the world elitist on Obama, they get a three-fer.  The racists hear &#8220;uppity&#8221; with all its echoes, the middle class hears &#8220;He&#8217;s just faking caring about us&#8221; and Joe Sixpack hears &#8220;pus*y&#8221;. And that last one is the candidate killer here in the US.</p>
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		<title>By: Julia Rios</title>
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		<dc:creator>Julia Rios</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 14:32:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I fear that this is also bound up in race. It seems like part of Obama&#039;s alleged elitism stems from the idea that he&#039;s not &quot;really&quot; black. It&#039;s ugly, and I don&#039;t like it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I fear that this is also bound up in race. It seems like part of Obama&#8217;s alleged elitism stems from the idea that he&#8217;s not &#8220;really&#8221; black. It&#8217;s ugly, and I don&#8217;t like it.</p>
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		<title>By: Ariel Zeitlin Cooke</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ariel Zeitlin Cooke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 13:35:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Being elite is not the same as elitism. As Liset says, the second is more about how you feel about yourself and what you do with it. In other words, it&#039;s OK to go to Harvard but not if you don&#039;t want to do business with anyone who DIDN&#039;T go to Harvard. I don&#039;t get that from Obama at all.

But it&#039;s true that there are shades of elitism and that you may not be aware of your own snobbishness, like when I left my lifelong home in Manhattan and was surprised to find intelligent life in NJ.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Being elite is not the same as elitism. As Liset says, the second is more about how you feel about yourself and what you do with it. In other words, it&#8217;s OK to go to Harvard but not if you don&#8217;t want to do business with anyone who DIDN&#8217;T go to Harvard. I don&#8217;t get that from Obama at all.</p>
<p>But it&#8217;s true that there are shades of elitism and that you may not be aware of your own snobbishness, like when I left my lifelong home in Manhattan and was surprised to find intelligent life in NJ.</p>
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		<title>By: Libby</title>
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		<dc:creator>Libby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 13:05:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, duh, John&#039;s comment (above) reminds me of the racial connotations w/&quot;uppity.&quot;  Since I have in-laws who use it about their (white) relatives I didn&#039;t think of it that way, but yes, then it&#039;s a double problem for Obama.  Sigh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, duh, John&#8217;s comment (above) reminds me of the racial connotations w/&#8221;uppity.&#8221;  Since I have in-laws who use it about their (white) relatives I didn&#8217;t think of it that way, but yes, then it&#8217;s a double problem for Obama.  Sigh.</p>
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		<title>By: John Cash</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Cash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 13:01:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here in the US, we have two elephants-in-the-room-we-don&#039;t-talk-about: race and class. Race used to be #1. But these many years after our civil rights struggle, it has become easier to at least mention race in the room. Class has become #1. We use &quot;elitism&quot; to avoid talking about class and class-based problems in our permeable-class society. In Obama&#039;s case, it is often used (1) to call him a hypocrite for presuming to speak for &quot;ordinary Americans&quot; when he is a Harvard-educated lawyer, and (2) as code for &quot;uppity n-----.&quot; As to de Rothschild&#039;s comments: maybe it takes one to know one?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here in the US, we have two elephants-in-the-room-we-don&#8217;t-talk-about: race and class. Race used to be #1. But these many years after our civil rights struggle, it has become easier to at least mention race in the room. Class has become #1. We use &#8220;elitism&#8221; to avoid talking about class and class-based problems in our permeable-class society. In Obama&#8217;s case, it is often used (1) to call him a hypocrite for presuming to speak for &#8220;ordinary Americans&#8221; when he is a Harvard-educated lawyer, and (2) as code for &#8220;uppity n&#8212;&#8211;.&#8221; As to de Rothschild&#8217;s comments: maybe it takes one to know one?</p>
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		<title>By: Libby</title>
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		<dc:creator>Libby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 12:40:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Other connotations?&quot;--to me it means getting above oneself, thinking one is better than others...but maybe I&#039;m missing something?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Other connotations?&#8221;&#8211;to me it means getting above oneself, thinking one is better than others&#8230;but maybe I&#8217;m missing something?</p>
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		<title>By: Justine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Justine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 12:33:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Libby: That explains my parents, who by that definition are both totallly uppity and elitist

Um, doesn&#039;t &quot;uppity&quot; have other connotations?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Libby: That explains my parents, who by that definition are both totallly uppity and elitist</p>
<p>Um, doesn&#8217;t &#8220;uppity&#8221; have other connotations?</p>
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		<title>By: Libby</title>
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		<dc:creator>Libby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 12:30:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think this has a lot to do w/USian confusion about class.  Folks who experience a class rise--as Obama clearly did--are &quot;uppity&quot; or &quot;elitist.&quot;  They have &quot;forgotten their roots&quot; or they &quot;don&#039;t care about us.&quot;  So GWBush, who is undeniably more &quot;elite&quot; than Obama, is not &quot;elitist&quot; because he didn&#039;t betray his class.  Sigh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think this has a lot to do w/USian confusion about class.  Folks who experience a class rise&#8211;as Obama clearly did&#8211;are &#8220;uppity&#8221; or &#8220;elitist.&#8221;  They have &#8220;forgotten their roots&#8221; or they &#8220;don&#8217;t care about us.&#8221;  So GWBush, who is undeniably more &#8220;elite&#8221; than Obama, is not &#8220;elitist&#8221; because he didn&#8217;t betray his class.  Sigh.</p>
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		<title>By: Justine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Justine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 12:28:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Liset: But whose to say whether someone thinks they&#039;re better than other people or not? It smacks an awful lot of the kind of anti-intellectualism I thought I&#039;d left behind in Australia, which turns out, sadly, not to be unique to my homeland.

I once had someone tell me that I thought I was better than them when they discovered I had a PhD. That somehow my being more educated was an insult to them. To which the only response can be: Huh?

It seems like there&#039;s an awful lot of projecting going on. 

Also I hope and pray that the person running my country, or ANY country, is better than I am. A better manager, a better politician (in the good sense of the word), a better thinker, a better human being. Robert Mugabe of Zimbabwe, for example, does not fit that bill on any level.

veejane: Yeah, that sucks too. The people who tell me I&#039;ve sold out because I&#039;m published by Teh Man. Gah! I roll my eyes at them.

Lauren: Yup, it was, indeed, a Hillary Clinton supporter, which just makes the whole thing even more bewildering. On what planet is Obama more elitist than Clinton?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Liset: But whose to say whether someone thinks they&#8217;re better than other people or not? It smacks an awful lot of the kind of anti-intellectualism I thought I&#8217;d left behind in Australia, which turns out, sadly, not to be unique to my homeland.</p>
<p>I once had someone tell me that I thought I was better than them when they discovered I had a PhD. That somehow my being more educated was an insult to them. To which the only response can be: Huh?</p>
<p>It seems like there&#8217;s an awful lot of projecting going on. </p>
<p>Also I hope and pray that the person running my country, or ANY country, is better than I am. A better manager, a better politician (in the good sense of the word), a better thinker, a better human being. Robert Mugabe of Zimbabwe, for example, does not fit that bill on any level.</p>
<p>veejane: Yeah, that sucks too. The people who tell me I&#8217;ve sold out because I&#8217;m published by Teh Man. Gah! I roll my eyes at them.</p>
<p>Lauren: Yup, it was, indeed, a Hillary Clinton supporter, which just makes the whole thing even more bewildering. On what planet is Obama more elitist than Clinton?</p>
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		<title>By: Lauren</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lauren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 12:24:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whoops, I just read that the clueless &quot;elite&quot; lobber in question was not a right winger but a Hillary supporter. I guess hate is equal opportunity.</description>
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		<title>By: Lauren</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lauren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 12:22:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The &quot;elite&quot; slander is merely another attempt to create a hate divide. An Us Versus Them. Hate is the lifeblood of right wing politics these days. If they can sow hate based on Obama&#039;s intellectual superiority, that&#039;s probably more palatable for them then sowing old-fashioned race hate. But they&#039;ll get to that. Don&#039;t worry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The &#8220;elite&#8221; slander is merely another attempt to create a hate divide. An Us Versus Them. Hate is the lifeblood of right wing politics these days. If they can sow hate based on Obama&#8217;s intellectual superiority, that&#8217;s probably more palatable for them then sowing old-fashioned race hate. But they&#8217;ll get to that. Don&#8217;t worry.</p>
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		<title>By: veejane</title>
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		<dc:creator>veejane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 12:14:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One of the few fields in which being elite -- in opposition to popular -- is valued is in the arts: how many grumpy underselling novelists have you met who will bitterly explain to you why their novel is too deep for hoi polloi?

They&#039;re just as stupid, only in the opposite direction. It&#039;s balance!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the few fields in which being elite &#8212; in opposition to popular &#8212; is valued is in the arts: how many grumpy underselling novelists have you met who will bitterly explain to you why their novel is too deep for hoi polloi?</p>
<p>They&#8217;re just as stupid, only in the opposite direction. It&#8217;s balance!</p>
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