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		<title>By: Little Willow</title>
		<link>http://justinelarbalestier.com/blog/2008/01/06/whos-your-grandmother/comment-page-3/#comment-63272</link>
		<dc:creator>Little Willow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jan 2008 07:14:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Justine: America.</description>
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		<title>By: monena</title>
		<link>http://justinelarbalestier.com/blog/2008/01/06/whos-your-grandmother/comment-page-3/#comment-63211</link>
		<dc:creator>monena</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 19:50:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I currently live in Dallas Texas.  Both sides of my family have been in Texas a few hundred years (can trace back to early 1800&#039;s) and my grandmothers are Nanny and Nana, my great-grand parents are Ma-maw and Papaw, and my mother goes by Noni.  These are all well used names through the generations.  One side of the family is predominately English and the other is predominately Welch, but we are completely Anglo-Saxon muts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I currently live in Dallas Texas.  Both sides of my family have been in Texas a few hundred years (can trace back to early 1800&#8217;s) and my grandmothers are Nanny and Nana, my great-grand parents are Ma-maw and Papaw, and my mother goes by Noni.  These are all well used names through the generations.  One side of the family is predominately English and the other is predominately Welch, but we are completely Anglo-Saxon muts.</p>
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		<title>By: Suzanne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Suzanne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 18:12:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On my mother&#039;s side grandmothers are either &#039;Nana&#039; or &#039;Nanny. I&#039;ve wondered if that was  a Danish thing, a Danish-American thing, or a Californian thing...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On my mother&#8217;s side grandmothers are either &#8216;Nana&#8217; or &#8216;Nanny. I&#8217;ve wondered if that was  a Danish thing, a Danish-American thing, or a Californian thing&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Libby</title>
		<link>http://justinelarbalestier.com/blog/2008/01/06/whos-your-grandmother/comment-page-3/#comment-63195</link>
		<dc:creator>Libby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 15:04:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m from New York/New England, with the usual WASP-y inputs (French, German, Scots, English, Dutch...). My mother&#039;s parents were Grandma and Grandpop, father&#039;s Grandmother and Granddaddy.  My neighbors here in VA call one grandmother Mee-maw and the grandfather Pa-paw (or Papa?).  That side of the family is from Ohio, with mostly WASPy forebears...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m from New York/New England, with the usual WASP-y inputs (French, German, Scots, English, Dutch&#8230;). My mother&#8217;s parents were Grandma and Grandpop, father&#8217;s Grandmother and Granddaddy.  My neighbors here in VA call one grandmother Mee-maw and the grandfather Pa-paw (or Papa?).  That side of the family is from Ohio, with mostly WASPy forebears&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: megan crewe</title>
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		<dc:creator>megan crewe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 13:50:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Missed this before--

My brother and I call our grandparents &quot;Grandma&quot; and &quot;Grandpa&quot;.  Both sides of our family has been in eastern Canada for a couple generations and before that our background is various shades of British (English/Scottish/Welsh).</description>
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<p>My brother and I call our grandparents &#8220;Grandma&#8221; and &#8220;Grandpa&#8221;.  Both sides of our family has been in eastern Canada for a couple generations and before that our background is various shades of British (English/Scottish/Welsh).</p>
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		<title>By: karen</title>
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		<dc:creator>karen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 13:00:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Belatedly... my family is from New York and New England.  I had a Grandma and Papa, and a Grammy and Pop.  My son has a Grandma, a Grammy, and Zayde, and his grandparents in Sweden are Farfar and Farmor (literally &quot;father&#039;s father&quot; and &quot;father&#039;s mother&quot;).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Belatedly&#8230; my family is from New York and New England.  I had a Grandma and Papa, and a Grammy and Pop.  My son has a Grandma, a Grammy, and Zayde, and his grandparents in Sweden are Farfar and Farmor (literally &#8220;father&#8217;s father&#8221; and &#8220;father&#8217;s mother&#8221;).</p>
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		<title>By: Lily</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lily</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 05:58:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had a Nanna and Grandad, a Noni,
a Grandma and a Grandpa.</description>
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a Grandma and a Grandpa.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Wheeler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew Wheeler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 02:40:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>my own grandparents were boring: both sets were just &quot;grandma&quot; and &quot;grandpa&quot; (with last name added, if necessary, for clarity).

however, my wife had a grandma and a nanna, to keep them separate. The nanna was of danish extraction in New Jersey, for what that&#039;s worth.

(my own kids have two grandmas, one &quot;poppy&quot; and a grand-dad.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>my own grandparents were boring: both sets were just &#8220;grandma&#8221; and &#8220;grandpa&#8221; (with last name added, if necessary, for clarity).</p>
<p>however, my wife had a grandma and a nanna, to keep them separate. The nanna was of danish extraction in New Jersey, for what that&#8217;s worth.</p>
<p>(my own kids have two grandmas, one &#8220;poppy&#8221; and a grand-dad.)</p>
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		<title>By: ariel cooke</title>
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		<dc:creator>ariel cooke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 23:15:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>my husband is from kentucky and called his maternal grandparents &quot;mah-maw&quot; and &quot;pa-paw&quot; (with a broad first a like cat). they were scots-german. his paternal grandmother was known as &quot;mimi.&quot; they were mixed british isles descent. i am a new york jew and boringly called my grandparents grandma and grandpa. but my great-grandmother was bubbe.(yiddish.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>my husband is from kentucky and called his maternal grandparents &#8220;mah-maw&#8221; and &#8220;pa-paw&#8221; (with a broad first a like cat). they were scots-german. his paternal grandmother was known as &#8220;mimi.&#8221; they were mixed british isles descent. i am a new york jew and boringly called my grandparents grandma and grandpa. but my great-grandmother was bubbe.(yiddish.)</p>
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		<title>By: Diana</title>
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		<dc:creator>Diana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 19:24:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>barb (#119): yia-yia is a fantastic grandmother name.  That&#039;s what I called my grandmother (because we&#039;re Greek), and my grandfather was called papouli (papou is also common, but papouli seems a more affectionate derivative).  I also lived for a long time in New Orleans, and noticed there most kids call their grandparents maw -maw and paw-paw.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>barb (#119): yia-yia is a fantastic grandmother name.  That&#8217;s what I called my grandmother (because we&#8217;re Greek), and my grandfather was called papouli (papou is also common, but papouli seems a more affectionate derivative).  I also lived for a long time in New Orleans, and noticed there most kids call their grandparents maw -maw and paw-paw.</p>
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		<title>By: Jenn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jenn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 14:09:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i am from the appalachain region of North carolina. My grandmother is mammaw and my grandfather was pappaw (pep-paw). This seems to be fairly common in the region and i have heard it is related to the scots-irish descent of most of the residents.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i am from the appalachain region of North carolina. My grandmother is mammaw and my grandfather was pappaw (pep-paw). This seems to be fairly common in the region and i have heard it is related to the scots-irish descent of most of the residents.</p>
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		<title>By: barb</title>
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		<dc:creator>barb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 09:32:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>this is so interesting. my grandson is 19 months and we&#039;re still not sure what I should be called. we&#039;ll have some ideas now.
my latest have been yia yia (greek) marj or wench.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this is so interesting. my grandson is 19 months and we&#8217;re still not sure what I should be called. we&#8217;ll have some ideas now.<br />
my latest have been yia yia (greek) marj or wench.</p>
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		<title>By: Simon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Simon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 09:09:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cheshire (North West UK) and I called both mine Nana, as did my wife who is from the South East of the UK</description>
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		<title>By: Kadie-Wa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kadie-Wa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 01:10:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, sorry this is a little delayed, but I&#039;m from Minnesota.</description>
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		<title>By: Laura</title>
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		<dc:creator>Laura</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2008 20:48:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My grandmothers were both &quot;Grandma,&quot; my grandfathers were &quot;Grandpa&quot; and &quot;Granddad.&quot; I grew up in Oklahoma, where I knew a few kids who called their grandmothers meemaw. 

Someone I work with is a grandmother and her grandkids call her MeeMee. I&#039;ve never heard that one before.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My grandmothers were both &#8220;Grandma,&#8221; my grandfathers were &#8220;Grandpa&#8221; and &#8220;Granddad.&#8221; I grew up in Oklahoma, where I knew a few kids who called their grandmothers meemaw. </p>
<p>Someone I work with is a grandmother and her grandkids call her MeeMee. I&#8217;ve never heard that one before.</p>
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		<title>By: emerging writer</title>
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		<dc:creator>emerging writer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2008 19:57:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I called my grandparents Grandma and Grandpa (English and class conscious). My kids call my parents Granny and Grandad (English) and my husband&#039;s side Nana and Grandad (West Cork Irish)
My dad called his dad pop which I always thought was strange.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I called my grandparents Grandma and Grandpa (English and class conscious). My kids call my parents Granny and Grandad (English) and my husband&#8217;s side Nana and Grandad (West Cork Irish)<br />
My dad called his dad pop which I always thought was strange.</p>
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		<title>By: Jessica</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jessica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2008 19:05:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Grandma= Gammy or Gam

Didn&#039;t have a grampa, but I understand my older cousins called him something that sounded like pop-aw</description>
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<p>Didn&#8217;t have a grampa, but I understand my older cousins called him something that sounded like pop-aw</p>
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		<title>By: Mahek</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mahek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2008 17:43:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m fron pakistan but i live in england. i never saw them but when i refer to them, i say nan or nana and granddad, granddaddy or grandpa.

Mee-maw!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m fron pakistan but i live in england. i never saw them but when i refer to them, i say nan or nana and granddad, granddaddy or grandpa.</p>
<p>Mee-maw!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Roda</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2008 17:23:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m Middle Eastern (Assyrian) and I call my grandmother &quot;nana&quot; too!</description>
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		<title>By: keri</title>
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		<dc:creator>keri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2008 17:15:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m from Texas

grandmothers were grandma and granny
grandfathers were grandpa and paw-paw
&quot;mee-maw&quot; was used heavily by friends and neighbors, though.
my cousins&#039; children call their grandma &quot;mimi&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m from Texas</p>
<p>grandmothers were grandma and granny<br />
grandfathers were grandpa and paw-paw<br />
&#8220;mee-maw&#8221; was used heavily by friends and neighbors, though.<br />
my cousins&#8217; children call their grandma &#8220;mimi&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: joeln</title>
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		<dc:creator>joeln</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2008 17:01:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m from Vermont, from a mostly french-canadian family. On one side, we use &quot;papa&quot; and &quot;mamie&quot;(which we say like eisenhower, but i&#039;ve heard other, frencher families say it more like may-may, or with aigus over the e&#039;s). and on the other side, we say &quot;pa&quot; and &quot;ma&quot;. (that side is much more strongly a farming family--i don&#039;t know if that&#039;s related, but it sounds so kansas. my partner is philadelphia-italian, and they say &quot;grandpop&quot; and &quot;grandmom.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m from Vermont, from a mostly french-canadian family. On one side, we use &#8220;papa&#8221; and &#8220;mamie&#8221;(which we say like eisenhower, but i&#8217;ve heard other, frencher families say it more like may-may, or with aigus over the e&#8217;s). and on the other side, we say &#8220;pa&#8221; and &#8220;ma&#8221;. (that side is much more strongly a farming family&#8211;i don&#8217;t know if that&#8217;s related, but it sounds so kansas. my partner is philadelphia-italian, and they say &#8220;grandpop&#8221; and &#8220;grandmom.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Sali</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sali</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2008 16:32:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not that you need another answer but I&#039;m from the UK and I called my grandmothers Nana  when I was younger and Nan when I got to my teens. Grandfathers were Grandad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not that you need another answer but I&#8217;m from the UK and I called my grandmothers Nana  when I was younger and Nan when I got to my teens. Grandfathers were Grandad.</p>
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		<title>By: Faith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Faith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2008 16:25:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m from Texas, and I called my dad&#039;s mother Grannie, and my mom&#039;s mother Dee-dee (which was her nickname). My husband, who&#039;s from upstate New York, called his grandmother nana.

(and for the record, i called one grandfather Granddad and the other was Bad-bad--a nickname that resulted when one of his grandchildren was chewing him out and called him a bad-bad-granbad.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m from Texas, and I called my dad&#8217;s mother Grannie, and my mom&#8217;s mother Dee-dee (which was her nickname). My husband, who&#8217;s from upstate New York, called his grandmother nana.</p>
<p>(and for the record, i called one grandfather Granddad and the other was Bad-bad&#8211;a nickname that resulted when one of his grandchildren was chewing him out and called him a bad-bad-granbad.)</p>
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		<title>By: Caryle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Caryle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2008 16:08:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m finally being drawn out of lurkersville by this post; aren&#039;t regional language quirks interesting?  :)

I spent my first eight years in the middle of Illinois and am of English/Scots-Irish/German descent.  As a little girl, I called my paternal grandparents Me-maw and Papa.  My maternal grandmother was Nanny; unfortunately, my other grandpa passed away before I was born.  

As I&#039;ve lurched into adulthood, Nanny has morphed into Gramma because calling her nanny had started to feel a bit silly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m finally being drawn out of lurkersville by this post; aren&#8217;t regional language quirks interesting?  <img src='http://justinelarbalestier.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I spent my first eight years in the middle of Illinois and am of English/Scots-Irish/German descent.  As a little girl, I called my paternal grandparents Me-maw and Papa.  My maternal grandmother was Nanny; unfortunately, my other grandpa passed away before I was born.  </p>
<p>As I&#8217;ve lurched into adulthood, Nanny has morphed into Gramma because calling her nanny had started to feel a bit silly.</p>
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		<title>By: larry</title>
		<link>http://justinelarbalestier.com/blog/2008/01/06/whos-your-grandmother/comment-page-3/#comment-63061</link>
		<dc:creator>larry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2008 15:51:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m a Jewish guy from Los Angeles, CA - all my grandparents are Polish.

I made up my own names. I was disturbed by the lack of specificity in the terms Grandma and Grandpa. I called the maternal grandparents Ma&#039;sma &amp; Ma&#039;spa. The paternal grandparents were Pa&#039;sma and Pa&#039;spa. Pronounced long, as in Ma &amp; Pa.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a Jewish guy from Los Angeles, CA &#8211; all my grandparents are Polish.</p>
<p>I made up my own names. I was disturbed by the lack of specificity in the terms Grandma and Grandpa. I called the maternal grandparents Ma&#8217;sma &amp; Ma&#8217;spa. The paternal grandparents were Pa&#8217;sma and Pa&#8217;spa. Pronounced long, as in Ma &amp; Pa.</p>
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