Comments on: Not YA

By: Gwenda

Gwenda — Thu, 26 Jul 2007 15:28:33 +0000

I strongly agree with your overall point — I do think that immediacy is a major determining factor in whether a book is truly YA. Although there are some exceptions, just like there are to anything.

It’s an interesting hat-trick that MTA pulls off with Octavian, because it does feel so immediate — hell, it even feels immediate when we switch to the letters of a different POV character entirely.

By: genevieve

genevieve — Thu, 26 Jul 2007 01:10:34 +0000

Agree with the points about the older writer needing to disappear in order for the work to be truly YA (as most writers are older anyway). In the case of this novel, openly assuming an older POV definitely puts it in a different category.
However depending on the writer and their consciousness of what they are doing, this is not always apparent to the young reader. I remember reading Laura Ingalls Wilder’s books in total thrall to Laura’s narration as a pre-teen – I was surprised in later life to find that the author’s intentions (writing in her sixties) were mainly to give American children an understanding of what her life had been like on the frontier as a child. I would think she did not necessarily bother herself too much about communicating at the child’s level, though – she just did it! Magic. You only see the didacticism and the older person when rereading, years later, but to the young reader, the story is also working at their level and is everything. Was to me, anyhow.

By: Dawn

Dawn — Wed, 25 Jul 2007 18:55:05 +0000

You know, Justine, I don’t know if I’ve ever mentioned this to you…but I love reading your blog more than anyone else’s. That’s saying something, because my whole favorites list is of author’s blogs. It’s just something I live for. I check your blog daily, and I’m so happy to leave comments because I know that you’ll respond. It is so nice to get a response, and seriously it’s like a mini birthday present or something. I mean, you’re a PUBLISHED, AWARD-WINNING author! Yet you still find the time to respond. I just love it. So, thanks.

By: liz gallagher

liz gallagher — Wed, 25 Jul 2007 18:42:59 +0000

When I was graduating Vermont College (MFA, with MT Anderson as one of my advisers, by the way!) I gave my lecture on this very issue. The book that I think is a great example of what you’re talking about is PREP. I think it would’ve actually worked better AS a YA, without the I’m-a-wise-27-year-old-looking-back veil.

I tend to think that the same type of reader might enjoy both books — under a heading like “coming of age” or something like that. But I’m not sure I EVER see the reason to tell a straight coming-of-age story with so much distance. I suppose it would make sense if there were some element of the coming of age that directly affected the adult and continues to affect them. Otherwise, why not just be in the now?

This issue is part of why my forthcoming debut novel’s in the present tense. It’s not intended to be a sweeping story for the ages. It’s just about a few months where a girl grows a bit more into herself.

Put the book you rec’d on hold at the library to add to my artillery of examples of how YA and “adult” books mishmash. Oh, and ’cause it sounded good.

By: Mary Elizabeth S.

Mary Elizabeth S. — Wed, 25 Jul 2007 18:34:10 +0000

Well, this is hardly going to explain it to anybody, but here goes…

To me, YA just *feels* young. There’s a certain sense that the characters are very alive and aware, and they balance on the edge between childhood and adulthood, where we understand more than we did as children, and yet still feel things, think things, and believe things that, for many people, are lost when we “grow up”. Everything is very intense.

Which is, you know, why I love YA.

~Mary

By: The Bibliophile

The Bibliophile — Wed, 25 Jul 2007 18:21:29 +0000

Justine, I love it when you recommend books as it seems more often than not I haven’t ever heard of them (that “Emma” manga or this latest one, “Cures”), and I end up really enjoying them. “Cures” is being added to my (ever growing) list of books to read!

By: Justine

Justine — Wed, 25 Jul 2007 18:13:36 +0000

Gwenda: You’re right. In a sense all books are looking back, right? Esp. if they’re in past tense. There’s always that ghostly “Once upon a time” beginning.

But Octavian felt very immediate. Especially after a certain event and the certain pages that follow.

Maybe the distinction I’m making isn’t what I think it is. It’s clearly too subtle for me.

By: Gwenda

Gwenda — Wed, 25 Jul 2007 17:59:40 +0000

(Octavian is looking back too though, right?) (Although I agree with your assessment it’s YA.)

By: Justine

Justine — Wed, 25 Jul 2007 16:59:42 +0000

Oyce: I don’t think it explicitly says that it’s Mia looking back, that’s just how it read to me. And it was reinforced by the Afterword which had very much the same tone as the whole novel.

Dawn: They’re both brilliant books. What treats await you!

By: Dawn

Dawn — Wed, 25 Jul 2007 16:49:55 +0000

I’m very sad to say that I’ve not read either of those books. Once I catch up with all the books waiting their turn on my shelf, I’ll get to those.

Oh, the pressure!

By: Oyce

Oyce — Wed, 25 Jul 2007 16:49:44 +0000

Oh! That’s really interesting. I think when I was reading it, I didn’t realize it was 30-yr-old Mia looking back, and so, the book did have an immediacy to it that made me think YA. (The sad thing is, I read this about a week ago and obviously already don’t remember it that well.)