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		<title>By: Rebecca</title>
		<link>http://justinelarbalestier.com/blog/2006/09/30/giving-up/comment-page-1/#comment-6884</link>
		<dc:creator>Rebecca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Oct 2006 13:35:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&quot;a writer by the initials of OSC, who was once most revered, has since abused my loyalty&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

I have a sneaking suspicion I know who you&#039;re talking about. Hmm.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;a writer by the initials of OSC, who was once most revered, has since abused my loyalty&#8221;</i></p>
<p>I have a sneaking suspicion I know who you&#8217;re talking about. Hmm.</p>
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		<title>By: Rebecca</title>
		<link>http://justinelarbalestier.com/blog/2006/09/30/giving-up/comment-page-1/#comment-6883</link>
		<dc:creator>Rebecca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Oct 2006 13:33:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>there aren&#039;t a whole lot of authors out there that have ever managed to hold my attention for very long. i&#039;m the same way with music. coldplay is the only band that never put out an album i didn&#039;t like. ditto books, and i can pretty well tell from reading the back and a couple of chapters whether I&#039;m going to buy it or not. right now i can only think of two authors I&#039;ve been loyal to for every single book, and so far, they haven&#039;t put out anything that&#039;s disappointed me. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>there aren&#8217;t a whole lot of authors out there that have ever managed to hold my attention for very long. i&#8217;m the same way with music. coldplay is the only band that never put out an album i didn&#8217;t like. ditto books, and i can pretty well tell from reading the back and a couple of chapters whether I&#8217;m going to buy it or not. right now i can only think of two authors I&#8217;ve been loyal to for every single book, and so far, they haven&#8217;t put out anything that&#8217;s disappointed me. <img src='http://justinelarbalestier.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: jennifer</title>
		<link>http://justinelarbalestier.com/blog/2006/09/30/giving-up/comment-page-1/#comment-6850</link>
		<dc:creator>jennifer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Oct 2006 01:52:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I quit when I am bored of the new works, to the point where I can&#039;t even be arsed to pick them up in paperback any more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I quit when I am bored of the new works, to the point where I can&#8217;t even be arsed to pick them up in paperback any more.</p>
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		<title>By: A.R.Yngve</title>
		<link>http://justinelarbalestier.com/blog/2006/09/30/giving-up/comment-page-1/#comment-6848</link>
		<dc:creator>A.R.Yngve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Sep 2006 19:48:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you look at the STAR WARS movies as an example of audience loyalty, it&#039;s very obvious that writers should &quot;Hook&#039;em While They&#039;re Young&quot;...

The earlier in life a person gets &quot;hooked&quot; on the stories of a particular writer/director, the more likely he/she is to stick with this favorite for life. (It&#039;s force of habit, nostalgia, the comfort of familiarity, etc.)

I&#039;ve never been very loyal. And as I get older, I get even more fickle. The &quot;gotta see the whole saga&quot; instinct weakens. It&#039;s just a movie, you know? I told myself &quot;You can wait until Episode III is shown on TV.&quot; 

As for literature, it&#039;s the same. My &quot;reader loyalty&quot; is very faint. The one writer I&#039;ve stuck to is Philip K. Dick, and he&#039;s dead.

And the rapidly evolving media landscape lessens the sense of &quot;urgency&quot; in reader loyalty. You no longer have to worry that if you miss the final episode of a TV series, it will be lost forever. You no longer have to worry that if you don&#039;t buy the latest book in a series NOW, it&#039;ll be sold out. 

Relax; there&#039;s always YouTube. Or Amazon.com. I&#039;ll catch up on my old favorites when I retire. Why hurry?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you look at the STAR WARS movies as an example of audience loyalty, it&#8217;s very obvious that writers should &#8220;Hook&#8217;em While They&#8217;re Young&#8221;&#8230;</p>
<p>The earlier in life a person gets &#8220;hooked&#8221; on the stories of a particular writer/director, the more likely he/she is to stick with this favorite for life. (It&#8217;s force of habit, nostalgia, the comfort of familiarity, etc.)</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve never been very loyal. And as I get older, I get even more fickle. The &#8220;gotta see the whole saga&#8221; instinct weakens. It&#8217;s just a movie, you know? I told myself &#8220;You can wait until Episode III is shown on TV.&#8221; </p>
<p>As for literature, it&#8217;s the same. My &#8220;reader loyalty&#8221; is very faint. The one writer I&#8217;ve stuck to is Philip K. Dick, and he&#8217;s dead.</p>
<p>And the rapidly evolving media landscape lessens the sense of &#8220;urgency&#8221; in reader loyalty. You no longer have to worry that if you miss the final episode of a TV series, it will be lost forever. You no longer have to worry that if you don&#8217;t buy the latest book in a series NOW, it&#8217;ll be sold out. </p>
<p>Relax; there&#8217;s always YouTube. Or Amazon.com. I&#8217;ll catch up on my old favorites when I retire. Why hurry?</p>
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		<title>By: Chris S.</title>
		<link>http://justinelarbalestier.com/blog/2006/09/30/giving-up/comment-page-1/#comment-6847</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris S.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Sep 2006 16:16:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When it comes to books, I&#039;ll go until my disgust with the story outweighs my loyalty to the writer.  That could take ten books, or five lines.  But I&#039;m not immoveable:  i&#039;ve been brought back to the fold of several writers after years of given them the cold shoulder.

As for TV, I have a short attention span.  I can only concentrate on one show at a time.  Right now, it&#039;s Doctor Who.  Ten!  Glasses!  Squee!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When it comes to books, I&#8217;ll go until my disgust with the story outweighs my loyalty to the writer.  That could take ten books, or five lines.  But I&#8217;m not immoveable:  i&#8217;ve been brought back to the fold of several writers after years of given them the cold shoulder.</p>
<p>As for TV, I have a short attention span.  I can only concentrate on one show at a time.  Right now, it&#8217;s Doctor Who.  Ten!  Glasses!  Squee!</p>
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		<title>By: cecil</title>
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		<dc:creator>cecil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Sep 2006 16:04:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think it&#039;s a giving up so much as a &quot;moving on&quot; or a &quot;settling into a day to day life&quot;  or &quot;the honeymoon is over&quot;.

And good work is still good work.  I loved The Matrix.  I don&#039;t know what happened in 2 &amp; 3 because they went south as far as I&#039;m concerned.  But I own The Matrix DVD and will watch it over and over.  

Same with books, I love Logan&#039;s Run.  But Logan&#039;s Search?  Logan&#039;s Star?  Best if they were forgotten.

And Star Wars... well... I can&#039;t quit you Star Wars. For me it&#039;s only A New Hope and Empire that are worth my worship.  I cannot even speak of the other films, but those first films helped me define me, so they stay.  (like the stupid Queen Amidala tattoo I have. That shit don&#039;t wear off) 

A long winded way to say that I think it&#039;s ok to give someone who has done something that has sung to you a chance, but when the glitter has been removed from the eyes, it&#039;s OK to just shrug and say *meh, not for me*</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s a giving up so much as a &#8220;moving on&#8221; or a &#8220;settling into a day to day life&#8221;  or &#8220;the honeymoon is over&#8221;.</p>
<p>And good work is still good work.  I loved The Matrix.  I don&#8217;t know what happened in 2 &amp; 3 because they went south as far as I&#8217;m concerned.  But I own The Matrix DVD and will watch it over and over.  </p>
<p>Same with books, I love Logan&#8217;s Run.  But Logan&#8217;s Search?  Logan&#8217;s Star?  Best if they were forgotten.</p>
<p>And Star Wars&#8230; well&#8230; I can&#8217;t quit you Star Wars. For me it&#8217;s only A New Hope and Empire that are worth my worship.  I cannot even speak of the other films, but those first films helped me define me, so they stay.  (like the stupid Queen Amidala tattoo I have. That shit don&#8217;t wear off) </p>
<p>A long winded way to say that I think it&#8217;s ok to give someone who has done something that has sung to you a chance, but when the glitter has been removed from the eyes, it&#8217;s OK to just shrug and say *meh, not for me*</p>
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		<title>By: Diana</title>
		<link>http://justinelarbalestier.com/blog/2006/09/30/giving-up/comment-page-1/#comment-6845</link>
		<dc:creator>Diana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Sep 2006 15:37:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think I have a set standard, and naturally, it&#039;s different for every medium. I do however, know that feeling where occasionally the new bad stuff leaches some of the love from the old good stuff. this is especially true of series. I loved the 6th sense. did not love any others, but still love the 6th sense. however, i had been, for a long time, avoiding watching the original star wars again, afriad of what I&#039;d think now.

thankfully, I did not lose any of the love. they are still three damn fine films.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think I have a set standard, and naturally, it&#8217;s different for every medium. I do however, know that feeling where occasionally the new bad stuff leaches some of the love from the old good stuff. this is especially true of series. I loved the 6th sense. did not love any others, but still love the 6th sense. however, i had been, for a long time, avoiding watching the original star wars again, afriad of what I&#8217;d think now.</p>
<p>thankfully, I did not lose any of the love. they are still three damn fine films.</p>
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		<title>By: robinwasserman</title>
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		<dc:creator>robinwasserman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Sep 2006 14:35:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I give up after three.  After two, I start publicly mocking (cf John Irving, David E. Kelley), but I can&#039;t stop myself from trying again.  But third time&#039;s a charm. After that, we break up.

If only it were so easy with people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I give up after three.  After two, I start publicly mocking (cf John Irving, David E. Kelley), but I can&#8217;t stop myself from trying again.  But third time&#8217;s a charm. After that, we break up.</p>
<p>If only it were so easy with people.</p>
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		<title>By: veejane</title>
		<link>http://justinelarbalestier.com/blog/2006/09/30/giving-up/comment-page-1/#comment-6842</link>
		<dc:creator>veejane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Sep 2006 13:37:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There comes a time in my reading of an author where I discover I can say, &quot;Oh author, I know what your hangups are.&quot; This happens for every author. The authors I drop are the authors who never seem aware what their hangups are, or are too busy spanking same to tell me a worthwhile story.

A certain amount of hangup-spanking can be quite fun, especially on the first try, but then a second novel, full of more spanking of the same hangup? I quit.

Yes, Thomas Hardy, this means you.

(I quit a TV show when I discover that the writers desperately need me on staff, just to smack them around until [situation, character, plot] makes sense.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There comes a time in my reading of an author where I discover I can say, &#8220;Oh author, I know what your hangups are.&#8221; This happens for every author. The authors I drop are the authors who never seem aware what their hangups are, or are too busy spanking same to tell me a worthwhile story.</p>
<p>A certain amount of hangup-spanking can be quite fun, especially on the first try, but then a second novel, full of more spanking of the same hangup? I quit.</p>
<p>Yes, Thomas Hardy, this means you.</p>
<p>(I quit a TV show when I discover that the writers desperately need me on staff, just to smack them around until [situation, character, plot] makes sense.)</p>
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		<title>By: Barry</title>
		<link>http://justinelarbalestier.com/blog/2006/09/30/giving-up/comment-page-1/#comment-6841</link>
		<dc:creator>Barry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Sep 2006 12:44:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i think it depends on *how* bad the new book is, honestly. there are some writers whose tales have trickled off in quality over the years, but there was never a precipitous enough drop that i threw down the book in disgust. as a result, it took several books for me to stop reading them.

in one instance, though, i can think of a writer whose latest effort was so abysmal that halfway through the new book, i stopped reading and haven&#039;t picked up one of his since.

as long as i&#039;m still wringing some enjoyment out of the books, i&#039;ll keep reading. the author may fall on the priority list (both the reading list and the buying list), but he/she won&#039;t drop off entirely.

but once the reading becomes anything resembling a chore...gone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i think it depends on *how* bad the new book is, honestly. there are some writers whose tales have trickled off in quality over the years, but there was never a precipitous enough drop that i threw down the book in disgust. as a result, it took several books for me to stop reading them.</p>
<p>in one instance, though, i can think of a writer whose latest effort was so abysmal that halfway through the new book, i stopped reading and haven&#8217;t picked up one of his since.</p>
<p>as long as i&#8217;m still wringing some enjoyment out of the books, i&#8217;ll keep reading. the author may fall on the priority list (both the reading list and the buying list), but he/she won&#8217;t drop off entirely.</p>
<p>but once the reading becomes anything resembling a chore&#8230;gone.</p>
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		<title>By: G. Jules</title>
		<link>http://justinelarbalestier.com/blog/2006/09/30/giving-up/comment-page-1/#comment-6840</link>
		<dc:creator>G. Jules</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Sep 2006 12:31:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Three books. Enough books that if they start getting better again, or at least &quot;better&quot; as determined by my taste, I&#039;ll know about it; but not too very many books to suffer through.

It takes a lot for me to put someone in that category, though.

I am much more fickle about music and television.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Three books. Enough books that if they start getting better again, or at least &#8220;better&#8221; as determined by my taste, I&#8217;ll know about it; but not too very many books to suffer through.</p>
<p>It takes a lot for me to put someone in that category, though.</p>
<p>I am much more fickle about music and television.</p>
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		<title>By: Jenny Davidson</title>
		<link>http://justinelarbalestier.com/blog/2006/09/30/giving-up/comment-page-1/#comment-6839</link>
		<dc:creator>Jenny Davidson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Sep 2006 12:23:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>when it&#039;s an author i really love, i pretty much never give up: even the faint shadows of the original intense reading experience seem worthwhile.  (nb patricia cornwell?  and you know, i have read i think *all* of the rather awful recent pern books because i loved anne mccaffrey so much when i was a kid! or i will always read a mercedes lackey novel even though they really can&#039;t be said to be very good at all.) in the case of an author i like rather than love, it&#039;s more likely that i&#039;ll stop bothering to get hold of the books--but i think it&#039;s a question of having moderate expectations, if you don&#039;t expect too much you are much less likely to feel ripped off.

of course next time i see you i am totally going to interrogate you until you reveal all!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>when it&#8217;s an author i really love, i pretty much never give up: even the faint shadows of the original intense reading experience seem worthwhile.  (nb patricia cornwell?  and you know, i have read i think *all* of the rather awful recent pern books because i loved anne mccaffrey so much when i was a kid! or i will always read a mercedes lackey novel even though they really can&#8217;t be said to be very good at all.) in the case of an author i like rather than love, it&#8217;s more likely that i&#8217;ll stop bothering to get hold of the books&#8211;but i think it&#8217;s a question of having moderate expectations, if you don&#8217;t expect too much you are much less likely to feel ripped off.</p>
<p>of course next time i see you i am totally going to interrogate you until you reveal all!</p>
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		<title>By: Hannah Bowen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hannah Bowen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Sep 2006 11:36:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are very very few writers who are auto-buys for me to start.  But I don&#039;t think I&#039;ve ever taken a stand: &quot;that&#039;s it!  no more books by you!&quot;  The closest I&#039;ve come was deLint, and that was more a case of getting bored; I might try him again if I took a look at a book and it looked like I might enjoy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are very very few writers who are auto-buys for me to start.  But I don&#8217;t think I&#8217;ve ever taken a stand: &#8220;that&#8217;s it!  no more books by you!&#8221;  The closest I&#8217;ve come was deLint, and that was more a case of getting bored; I might try him again if I took a look at a book and it looked like I might enjoy.</p>
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		<title>By: claire</title>
		<link>http://justinelarbalestier.com/blog/2006/09/30/giving-up/comment-page-1/#comment-6837</link>
		<dc:creator>claire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Sep 2006 08:03:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ursula tried me sorely with the second half of the earthsea sextuplets, but i remain true. she cannot undo &quot;the dispossessed&quot; or &quot; the left hand of darkness&quot;. or any of the good ones, really.

on the other hand, as much as i love naveen andrews, i gave up on lost halfway through the season two premiere. i shut that damned episode off ten times before i gave up on it. *yawn*. boringness is unforgiveable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ursula tried me sorely with the second half of the earthsea sextuplets, but i remain true. she cannot undo &#8220;the dispossessed&#8221; or &#8221; the left hand of darkness&#8221;. or any of the good ones, really.</p>
<p>on the other hand, as much as i love naveen andrews, i gave up on lost halfway through the season two premiere. i shut that damned episode off ten times before i gave up on it. *yawn*. boringness is unforgiveable.</p>
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		<title>By: David Moles</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Moles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Sep 2006 07:37:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Depends. One bad book I can let slide. When that bad book also goes to great lengths to undermine all the pleasure I took in the &lt;i&gt;good&lt;/i&gt; books....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Depends. One bad book I can let slide. When that bad book also goes to great lengths to undermine all the pleasure I took in the <i>good</i> books&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: ebear</title>
		<link>http://justinelarbalestier.com/blog/2006/09/30/giving-up/comment-page-1/#comment-6834</link>
		<dc:creator>ebear</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Sep 2006 06:23:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I give up on people all the time. I am incredibly fickle. 

On the other hand, I&#039;m also easy to lure back. Unless my trust has been abused, in which case I hold a grudge FOREVER.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I give up on people all the time. I am incredibly fickle. </p>
<p>On the other hand, I&#8217;m also easy to lure back. Unless my trust has been abused, in which case I hold a grudge FOREVER.</p>
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		<title>By: Ted Lemon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ted Lemon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Sep 2006 05:46:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It took me a _long_ time to give up on Keith Laumer.   Sigh.   He never wrote the same kind of stuff after his stroke, but I kept hoping.

Generally speaking, if an author has hosed you with a bad book, I&#039;d suggest not buying the next one, but checking it out of the library.   If the first couple of chapters indicate a shift in the wind, then go out and buy the book.   That way you give them the best possible feedback - if the book is good, they get a sale, and if it sucks, they don&#039;t.   Maybe enough people will do that to convince them they need to step back and take stock.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It took me a _long_ time to give up on Keith Laumer.   Sigh.   He never wrote the same kind of stuff after his stroke, but I kept hoping.</p>
<p>Generally speaking, if an author has hosed you with a bad book, I&#8217;d suggest not buying the next one, but checking it out of the library.   If the first couple of chapters indicate a shift in the wind, then go out and buy the book.   That way you give them the best possible feedback &#8211; if the book is good, they get a sale, and if it sucks, they don&#8217;t.   Maybe enough people will do that to convince them they need to step back and take stock.</p>
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		<title>By: Rick O</title>
		<link>http://justinelarbalestier.com/blog/2006/09/30/giving-up/comment-page-1/#comment-6832</link>
		<dc:creator>Rick O</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Sep 2006 04:48:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Loyalty, like trust, is earned and can be abused and revoked.

Specifically, I&#039;m a two-chance kind of guy.  The first bomb gets two chances for redemption, given that the second bomb could also be a fluke.  But three bombs?

Even more specifically, a writer by the initials of OSC, who was once most revered, has since abused my loyalty, which has since been revoked.

It&#039;s very American to say, but there are too many other fish in the sea to waste my time pining with the memories for just the one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Loyalty, like trust, is earned and can be abused and revoked.</p>
<p>Specifically, I&#8217;m a two-chance kind of guy.  The first bomb gets two chances for redemption, given that the second bomb could also be a fluke.  But three bombs?</p>
<p>Even more specifically, a writer by the initials of OSC, who was once most revered, has since abused my loyalty, which has since been revoked.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s very American to say, but there are too many other fish in the sea to waste my time pining with the memories for just the one.</p>
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